Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

Miss Penelope - other clubs will wait and see what his form and fitness is like before jumping in. SU were asked because that was his club prior to his sentance,

Loonyvonny - great post, maybe i could and should do more but in all honesty and i've mentioned it before, outside of Sheffield and MN there is not much appetite to stop him playing, infact i have come across more support than anything else.

In one breath she is condemning people for their attitudes to rape, and int he next she is apologising for rapists. The cognitive dissonance necessary for that is astonishing.

upthehammers

Have a look on twitter, there are a lot of people don't want him playing. Crucially, in my opinion, sponsors are distancing themselves.

How about contacting the sponsors of your team and ask them if they want their name on his shirt?

The other clubs are waiting to see what Sheffield do. They won't stick their necks out. Why should they at this stage. But I bet there is a bit of discreet chat behind the scenes.

May I remind you that UptheHammers is 'not convinced he did it' because 'there are some things on the case that just don’t add up' and he has 'the video of the girl entering the hotel, holding the takeaway Pizza, she doesn’t look too drunk to consent'

Oh well, Allison Pearson says the verdict is unsafe, that's OK, we can all go home then

hammers the only thing that's inevitable is death and taxes. Everything else can be changed...

Depressing thread. Of course he shouldn't be allowed to resume a career as a role model. He's a convicted violent sex offender.

To whoever mentioned vigilantism and mob rule, may I direct you to the Ched Evans site, established by his family and friends which is full of it. As well as being full of victim blaming. Horrible.

The other clubs are waiting to see what Sheffield do. They won't stick their necks out. Why should they at this stage. But I bet there is a bit of discreet chat behind the scenes

But apparently other convicted players have had teams waiting to sign them the moment they walked out of the prison gates! Perhaps the backlash against the sponsors will make the other clubs think twice. Smaller clubs may not be able to afford the loss of a sponsor due to bad publicity.

Not 'apparently' its a fact, other players did have clubs waiting to sign them as they were released, the difference in this case is that SU did not sack Evans they simply let his contract expire, so it was inevitable he would go back tothe club he was last at, even if it is just to train.

Have any players actually come out against him? i cant think of any and there is a reason for it...

So because other clubs act in an unethical way, it's OK?

Money and winning are the important thing in football. Not much else matters. And that's a fact. No player has come out against him because they might find themselves in a team with him one day. That's only IMHO of course.

Is it Upthehammers that there is a swathe of the public who blame a drunk person for the actions of a rapist?

Personally I don't get that; the law is in place to protect the vulnerable from the predatory.

It reminds me of the way my great great granny was blamed by some hypocrites of her day for falling pregnant out of wedlock, the family suspected it was due to rape. The euphemism being of course "taken advantage of", presumably to the Allison Pearsons of the day she was "no better than she ought to be.."

Alison Pearson seems to be saying it's a free for all to rape because of the culture some people are in, which is a nasty old-fashioned attitude imo.

I think there are hundreds of footballers in the premier league and lower leagues that have been in the exact same situation as Evans found himself in, and are thanking their lucky stars they didn't get caught.
They'll stay well out of it for fear of putting themselves in the spotlight.

I actually have steam coming out my ears reading that Allison Pearson article:

the verdict of the jury was inconsistent and quite possibly unsafe

Oh right ok so you know better than the jury who were presented all the evidence. I know it's been said before, but for what other crime do people decide the jury is wrong and they know better?

Casual hook-ups and the exchange of sexual favours are the norm.

So it's ok to rape?

She should be ashamed at putting such rape myths into print. I really do despair.

Of course he shouldnt be allowed. He is a convicted rapist.

It should be that simple really shouldn't it, londonrach?

There are posters saying Clayton McDonald should have been found guilty of rape, the jury found him not guilty.

The jury found Ched Evans guilty.

I'll accept both verdicts,but if they're right about Ched Evans ssurely you have to accept they're right about Clayton?

Or can they be doubted about Clayton but not Ched Evans?

That's an interesting question wish.
Firstly, I wasn't there so I don't know what they heard to convince them not to convict McDonald.

However, reasonable doubt is always a factor - if you're unsure, if you have even a shred of doubt as a juror you have to find for not guilty. So it seems clear to me, that jury on that day, believed an intoxicated woman going back to a hotel room = 'consent to sex'. Would I have agreed? Probably not. Would some other people on this thread agree? Going by a couple of 'what did she expect' comments, I would expect so.

So no, I don't have to accept they're right about Clayton. But I do have to accept they heard evidence which made them doubt his guilt, and not doubt Evans.

Am I missing something about this man? Is he the Welsh Pele? Why are they so desperate to have him back? I wonder if anyone has suggested they...erm...choose someone else? Also, is he even a good footballer anymore after years of not playing while serving a prison sentence for rape?

All very odd.

That Allison Pearson article is

Also what a super piece of journalism to go and ask the huge pool of opinion that is the girls who do your nails.

I think Hayley, 22, needs to go and fucking educate herself about the case.

And where is the qualification about the 'when I win big tweets' ie. that the woman in question actually denied she wrote them, they were 'hacked' by some American firefighter who 'had an interest in the case' , that even if she had written them it was months after and there is not a single shred of proof that they were anything to do with her attack, and finally no one really 'wins big' after a rape anyway because large monetary compensation is fairly rare, and this woman has never received any money from Evans anyway.

I'm astonished the telegraph have allowed that to be published - not because I disagree with the sentiments of the article (which I do), but because its just a really fucking shit piece of writing.

I'm actually disgusted.

Absolutely neverbuy you said it much better than I did. So if you go into a nailbar and ask the opinion of a criminal case their verdict means more than the actual jury that heard all the evidence. Shoddy, disgusting piece of 'journalism'.

I think it's a slippery slope if the jury decided that going back to a hotel room absolutely 100% meant sex. It didn't. I think the whole thing was disgusting. I read a bit about it yesterday and it's quite disturbing. Their friends filmed it happening. Why were they not convicted of something.

"I think there are hundreds of footballers in the premier league and lower leagues that have been in the exact same situation as Evans found himself in, and are thanking their lucky stars they didn't get caught."

Well that's fucking terrifying.
That a football supporter would state that in their opinion hundreds of footballers in the premier league are rapists.

And Ched didn't "find himself" in any position. He deliberately turned his cab around and went to get himself into a position where he was able to commit rape. On purpose. That's why he got convicted.