Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

The problem fuctifino is that until he recognises that what he did was wrong and admits it, apologises, he is likely to do it again. Because he feels he was completely in the right. And you can be damn sure with the harassment the victim got this time, the next victim will be terrified to speak up.

Fuctifino, do you believe that what Evans did was wrong?

If so, do you not see why his refusal to admit it was wrong is a problem?

I don't see "hysterical" here tbh

Although "baying for blood" was fairly hyperbolic..

I agree he needs to get a job, but I think United would be (are being?) daft to take him on.

Who is hysterical? I'm not sure how anyone can be hysterical about justice and truth but there you go.

I cannot judge what he did without all the evidence, that would be wrong. The jury sitting had all the evidence, that they found him guilty doesn't necessarily mean I would have.

Morally, his actions were questionable but nobody has come out of this looking good really, have they?

Are you blaming the victim?

Well I'm not hysterical four but others seem to think so

There are 100's of players up and down the country who play for lower division teams, who do just that, play. Players you have never heard of who are role models to nobody, they are purely football players. Not all players are role models, they are representatives of their club, just as everyday people are representatives of their employers. He doesn't have to be a role model to anybody.

They are role models to their supporters. I had never heard of Ched Evans before this whole thing, but looking at FB/Twitter some people quite obviously had heard of him and held (and still hold) him I very high regard. Just because a lot of people haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they are not a role model to anybody.

Tell me about it Never: footie mad family here supporting a lower division team. Of course players are looked up to.

fuctifino what motivation do you think this woman had to not ever actually accuse Evans of rape but to wake up one morning after havig sex with him, going to the police and telling them that she couldn't remember anything about the night before, and then crossing her fingers and hoping that Evans would end up incriminating himself with his own evidence? And in the meantime suffering such harrassment that she has had to change her identity twice?

Why would she do that?

I cannot judge what he did without all the evidence, that would be wrong. The jury sitting had all the evidence, that they found him guilty doesn't necessarily mean I would have.

Not sure how to say this politely, fuctifino, but who gives a shit whether you would have agreed with the jury or not?

FWIW I think it's possible that Charlie Webster's gaffe regarding Mike Tyson possibly gives her stance about the convicted rapist Ched Evans greater integrity.

If, as is possible, she was unaware that Mike Tyson is also an unrepentant convicted rapist, this would be due to so many having forgotten about it as the years have passed so that it is no longer at the forefront of people's minds; she may feel very strongly that she doesn't want that to happen with Ched Evans.

As it happens, I was aware of his conviction at the time, but until this thread I'd forgotten, it's no longer at the forefront of my mind when his name is mentioned. Or at least it wasn't, but probably will be now that I've been reminded of it. I wonder how many others that's true for now that it's getting coverage again.

I cannot judge what he did without all the evidence, that would be wrong. The jury sitting had all the evidence, that they found him guilty doesn't necessarily mean I would have.

Morally, his actions were questionable but nobody has come out of this looking good really, have they?

Really? That's your stand? Do the words "victim blaming" and "rape apologist" mean anything to you?

Morally his actions were questionable?!? LEGALLY his actions were UNLAWFUL! Hence the conviction. Do keep up.

It depresses me when this sort of thing comes up and shows just how many men just literally do not give a shit about violence inflicted on women, and how many of them are actively keen for it to happen if those tweets are to be believed.

Situations like this show all the talk about equality and all the rest of it is bullshit while so many bog-standard men will happily throw women under the bus in order to get what they want.

Everybody I have spoken to, without fail, think he should be able to carry on in the only job he knows.

fuctifino to be honest, that says a great deal about the company you keep.

These same fuckers if they supported the other team would be saying oh no you can't have ched back how awful. As it is they support his team so it's all poor old ched hard done by bless him he mustn't be punished any more.

Hypocritical cunts the lot of them.

Everybody I have spoken to, without fail, think he should be able to carry on in the only job he knows.

fuctifino to be honest, that says a great deal about the company you keep.

' fuctifino Wed 12-Nov-14 18:58:56

I cannot judge what he did without all the evidence, that would be wrong. The jury sitting had all the evidence, that they found him guilty doesn't necessarily mean I would have.'

Do you apply that to all the people who juries have found guilty or just those found guilty of rape?

You won't have had access to the evidence put before the jury in, say, the Harold Shipman trial, so do you reserve judgement on that one as well?

Yes Gideon, teachers, police, doctor, mum's at the school gate, quite a number of people from varied walks of life.

Rhonda I was responding to a specific post, so wind your neck in eh?!

Yes Alice I have heard of those phrases.

I struggle to understand being so drunk that you can't remember. I don't drink and never have to that extent. Don't like the taste of it, so couldn't see the point in drinking it.

Yes Gideon, teachers, police, doctor, mum's at the school gate, quite a number of people from varied walks of life.

As if.
(Loving the greengrocer's apostrophe, by the way. It adds some panache to an otherwise tediously predictable post.)

Oh, ok, you don't care for the taste of alcohol so women who drink too much if it deserve to get raped?

I struggle to understand being so drunk that you can't remember. I don't drink and never have to that extent. Don't like the taste of it, so couldn't see the point in drinking it.

Good job you weren't on the jury then, fuctifino, where it's not about what you would do in the same circumstances, but about what evidence is presented in court.

'I struggle to understand being so drunk that you can't remember. I don't drink and never have to that extent. Don't like the taste of it, so couldn't see the point in drinking it.'

It's not clear why this is relevant. Do you mean you don't believe it's possible to be so drunk you can't remember? If so, I assure you it is. Or do you mean people who do it are bad and deserve what they get?

Isn't there anyone out there who thinks the girl just should not have gone to a hotel with a couple of footballers? What did she seriously believe was going to happen I believe he has served his time. Leave him alone.