Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

As opposed to your argument against him hammers? Oh no, forget that, you don't have one as you support him.

Let's stop for a minute and think what Charlie Webster has to gain from this... absolutely nothing except a whole lot of grief. Let's not forget Ched Evans' supporters have hounded the woman he raped, broken the law to reveal her identity and caused her to have to move.

So what do you think Charlie Webster's motives are, out of interest?

but her argument against him now holds no weight at all.

Again... only in the eyes of Convicted Rapist Ched Evans apologists.

It holds plenty of weight for many of us who think her actions are brave and principled.

You have to wonder about the people who think Charlie Webster having said something stupid about Mike Tyson is more worth focusing on than Ched Evans having raped a woman.

Aye Countess. At least I won't have to keep looking up ad hominem arguments when posters mention it now - this is so clearly an example that I'm bound to remember it clutches at straws. Fucking grim.

I read this article from Mirror columnist Alison Phillips today and felt provoked enough to want to contact her, however I feel there's little point.

She's advocating for rapist Evans to return to his footballing career in the spirit of rehabilitation and giving children the message that self renewal is possible.

She believes a rapist footballer should be allowed to return to football in the same way that a rapist banker should return to banking or a rapist builder should return to building.

And at the very end, she invalidates her own argument by saying "But that’s done now and it is time for him to tackle the ultimate challenge – whether he can become a useful, valuable member of society who has learned from his terrible actions."

Well he hasn't learned from his terrible actions/rape of a young woman, has he Alison? Because he still won't admit that he raped her. All he's guilty of in his eyes is 'cheating' on his girlfriend. And if he can't find anything wrong in what he did to his victim, if he still persists in pleading his innocence, he's not going to change his behaviour or become a useful, valuable member of society.

He's still going to be a man who thinks it's fine to rape young women just because they are there and his mates say it's okay for him to have a go on her.

Gosh, Allison Philips must have read zero about the case if she thinks that Ched Evans has 'learned from his actions'.

"but why is it an either or? I agree with what she is saying about him not coming back, I am saying it is a shame that she has come across as a hypocrite."

in this case it IS either or, isn't it?

If you start saying 'hmmm, but that comment about Mike Tyson means I am not going to support her very valid points about Ched Evans' then you're making excuses for Ched Evans because you can't get over her comments. bit stupid IMO.

Better to say 'yes, her comment was stupid but she's actually apologised for it which is a damn sight more than that rapist Ched Evans has done so I know who I'll be supporting'

Only a rape apologist would muddy the waters of who to support. Surely.
And it is entirely possibly to be a rape apologist, realise you are one, learn from it, stop being one, campaign in a good way in the future. Oh wait a minute - couldn't Ched Evans try doing a bit of that too?

Or... perhaps her seeing the situation with Convicted Rapist Ched Evans has made her realise how wrong she was in regards to Mike Tyson and she has learned from that. In which case it is not hypocritical at all but a public lesson learned.

Such a shame that Convicted Rapist Ched Evans has learned nothing from this.... well, other than women are there to be used at will and the world of football will readily forgive and forget his little "indiscretions" (or RAPE, as it's known in the real world).

sorry DF, I just kind of echoed what you just said. Took me far too long to type it or I'd have seen your post first.

Professional footballers are role models for millions of children. These are being shown that it is ok to commit pretty horrendous crimes with few repercussions. That is a responsibility that these players and their employers have forgotten.

I think that supporters showing their disgust for this business by staying away, sponsors being lobbied and losing customers and other backers being called to account would help to change the mindset of the board of directors.

Lobby and protest the boards businesses and hit the directors pockets directly. That might concentrate their minds. They clearly condone rape and should be shown the error of their ways.

Imho

Gah! I do support her comments! I am saying it is a shame that she has lost a lot of credibility because she has told people not to forget that Evans is a rapist, when she did exactly that about another rapist.

I don't really want to discuss Charlie Webster anymore though because as another poster has said, she shouldn't be the focus here.

I really, really wish people would stop saying rapist would be able to return to . They wouldn't! They would have a conviction and they would lose their job.

I am hearing unconfirmed reports that Lindsey Graham has also resigned?

Other patrons are Sean Bean, Chris Heaton, Dave Berry, Glyn Rhodes MBE, Nick Matthew, Ding Junhui, Brendan Ingle MBE and Alan Hodgkinson MBE.

is paul Heaton a Patron?
He must surely resign? Not sure if this is an old page though

The only one I've heard of is Sean Bean. And his record with women is hardly exemplary. As for footballers being role models. They're not IMHO and shouldn't be. It's up to those individuals whether or not they resign but if they disagree with Ched Evans being allowed to train with the team would they not be better staying on where they can still have influence.

Of course footballers are role models. The very lifeblood of the industry depends on people indoctrinating encouraging their children from birth to support a football team and hold particular players up as actual heroes.nthat way, when they get to adulthood, they think nothing of spending thousands of pounds on season tickets and merchandise, so that they can get to watch heir heroes play every weekend.

If footballers are not role models, then why do kids walk around with players names on their backs? If you are making your money from kids, then it's your responsibility to act as a role model for them.

They are role models in the game of football but not in real life. That's my opinion. Kids want to play like x their favourite player and aren't going to say well when I grow up and get married I'm going to have a mistress and cheat on my wife because they did and it's OK.

He's still a young man and Im very confused about how people expect him to earn a living from now on in if he's not allowed to go back to work.

He was found guilty and served a sentence.

I think he is an awful person but Im genuinely confused as to what people want him to do job wise if they dont want him to return to football.

Just what do you want to happen to him next?

how interesting that for a while there a thread about the behaviour of a rapist got taken over by voices denigrating a woman

He hasn't served his sentence, he's still on licence and a criminal.

If he is to be taken back, perhaps the club can wait until his licence period runs out. Or when his appeal has taken place. Whichever is soonest.

What do I want to happen? I want him to put his hands in the air and admit that he raped that girl, that what he did was a horrible crime and that he is ashamed and sorry and that he wants to make it right.

Ched Evan's appeal may never be granted. His last request to appeal was thrown out.

I disagree. You only have to look at the reactions of many SU supporters to see that even plenty of adults have trouble distinguishing between on and off pitch, let alone kids. 'Oh no, not Super Ched. He would never do do that, he is our best scorer! Blades 4 eva' Etc etc.