to be disappointed that Cheryl Cole is now the most successful british female musician of all time

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Looks like this weekend she alone will hold the record for most British female number one singles. I like her but she just has people pick songs for her and records an album in a week.

Currently the record is shared with Rita ora and geri halliwell. Ora has an amazing voice. Halliwell wrote lots of her songs and even signs many of them so her deaf fans can enjoy them.

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Agree about Annie Lennox!

Chezza is stunning, that can't really be denied in all seriousness, but she absolutely cannot sing, her 'personality' makes me cringe, she takes herself v seriously and is well, a bit, naff, and worst of all, she's a proper little radgie.

What's a radgie?

I prefer my national treasures not to have a conviction for GBH.

I didn't know this - and I bet millions of others didn't either. It was 11 years ago (I looked it up). Whatever happened to 'spent conviction'?

'Radgie' Geordie term for aggressive twat.

By "of all time" they presumably mean "of the very short space of time since which recording has been invented and we have had sufficiently good systems to organise single releases into a chart"?

Musician?

Bloody Nora.

SOrry I don't understand Gerri Halliwell is the most successful artist really how is this true?

Dusty Springfield.

That's who it should be.

Love a bit of Dusty.

If she's a musician at all she strikes me as the kind who offer a one word or one line change in the lyrics and then get credited.

I've never thought of her as a musician at all, more a 'performer' in the broadest sense. I can't imagine she'd ever have had much of a career without the Cowell factor and TV exposure.

She's very pretty but so boring. I would be bored with myself if I lacked personality to that extent.

Thinking back to the 80s the standard was higher. Lack of internet/mtv/videos/reality tv meant you had to be a half decent singer. I don't think she would've got away with it back then as youngsters wouldn't have been prepared to shell out for her singles when she can barely sing.
Compare her to someone not hugely known like Siobhan Fahey who was in a bubblegum type group but is/was reasonably credible afterwards. Not to mention the great Annie Lennox who also left a successful pop group and went solo and it's embarrassing how far standards have slipped.

I like Cheryl.

I agree she's a performer, not a musician, and not a performer to my taste.

She's come from a poor background, worked herself up using all that assets she has, including the good looks she was lucky enough to have. The fact that her pretty face (and undoubted very very hard work and determination) has brought her so much success is societies problem, she's just worked the system we have.

As far as I can see the only reason to slag her off is her criminal record and the fact that she changes her name to that of whichever man she's with at the time. Being success through your own hard work is not something to be slagged off for imo.

Surely we can slag off Britain's so called most successful female musician for not possessing any discernible musical talent?

And I'd challenge the idea that 'hard work' has got her where she is. Finding fame through a reality TV show isn't exactly on a par with spending three years gigging your way around the country's fleapit music venues before anyone takes any notice.

The figures are not statistically sound - you need far fewer record sales to achieve a number one today that you did in previous decades when singles were a legitimate indicator of success, so Cheryl Wotsit's number ones are not 'worth' as much as other artists from days gone by. And that's how I haven't gnawed my own arm off and beaten myself to death with it!

YANBU. I like Cheryl. I may even have bought one or two of her songs . But I am shocked she is now the most successful british artist. She is lovely looking, but very lightweight, and not particularly talented.

How did, I don't care get to number one? is it a horrible song yet idiots are buying it?

It is a shame as she is shit and arrogant to boot.

I see the claws are out again.Shes successful off her own bat and works hard.Had one misdemenour 11 years ago and hasnt repeated it since.There are worse people out there.
And about her songs i dont think they are meant for the old gimmers on Mumsnet.

Gimme a break, there are plenty of artists a lot younger than Cheryl whose music I enjoy.

dustarr73

Is that you Chezza?

'works hard'

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!

good one

dustarr is in charge of her PR I think.

Actually I don't dispute that she works hazard - she's worked incredibly hard to perfect her 'brand' as it were, keeping in the public eye for the right reasons is a challenge. I just don't think she's a very good musician - but I think with someone like Cheryl the music is kind of incidental.

My grandfather 'worked hard' down the mines.

Chezza does not 'work hard'.

I object to the term musician. She can't sing and has to be digitally altered.

Surely we can slag off Britain's so called most successful female musician for not possessing any discernible musical talent?

But she does sing and dance moderately well, admittedly there are better people but she's not without talent. If you want to see somebody with no talent whatsoever watch me doing karaoke, I'll absolutely guarantee she's miles better than me.

Poopooweewee Do you think she doesn't work hard? I know people who work in TV/music and the hours they put in are unbelievable. I'd bet she works at least a 40 hour week. A lot of that work might look like fun, her dream job, and very well paid but it's still not free time.

Listen to me, I don't even like her that much, I just don't dislike her. I think she fits in great to that Saturday night family viewing bubble gum slot and I don't like seeing women being slagged off for nothing more than daring to be successful.