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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
differentnameforthis · 27/10/2014 03:19

I would have complained more while onsite about the noise

I wouldn't be too worried about a bunch of men staying there, not every man is a predator, so I am sorry, but I don't see how your children were put at risk (unless you left them to roam by themselves)

Not go to Butlins and expect a 5 start holiday (I hear their facilities have nosedived somewhat)

Chased up the noise complaint

needyoumorethanwantyou · 27/10/2014 03:52

I don't think you understand what a 'safeguarding issue' is. This wasn't one.

Nibledbyducks · 27/10/2014 04:28

If it's any help, I used to work for Butlins, and part of the application process for all employees is a CRB check, as everyone works with children. So if these men were workers there would be no more risk than from anyone else. in fact probably less so.

MrsFruitcake · 27/10/2014 06:12

The CRB (or DBS as it now is) is only as good as the day it's printed. It's just something employers have do so they can say 'it's not our fault, we checked' if anything untoward happens.

Sirzy · 27/10/2014 06:13

And even the day it's printed it only shows what people have been caught doing!

smashboxmashbox · 27/10/2014 06:13

If the men were just guests, using the Butlins as a convenient hotel, then they wouldn't be CRB checked, to be fair. But then, neither would any of the other guests at Butlins that week. Unless that's a requirement for going on the tots trip?

Jessicahyde85 · 27/10/2014 06:21

We went to Butlins in mine head a few years back and it was horrific....

We arrived after an adults weekend to around 20 used condoms strewn over the floors, fag butts in the millions and it actually got WORSE from there.... We got £500 back, but we complained when we were there so I think you get better results from them in that scenario!

My nan forced us to go as she thought it would be lovely ( don't tell me adverts don't work) I will NEVER do anything apart from rent a cottage in Briton from now on......

PumpkinSizedMammaries · 27/10/2014 06:34

YAnBU it sounds really crap.

Methinks you were unlucky to come across people in start of thread who circle round like vultures looking for a chance to make posters feel and look bad.

PumpkinSizedMammaries · 27/10/2014 06:35

I bet noone who bitched OP out would be delighted if they laid for a quiet family week and had noisy drunken men staying above them. Hypocrisy.

PumpkinSizedMammaries · 27/10/2014 06:35

Paid not laid. Too exasperated by this thread.

Sirzy · 27/10/2014 06:44

I wouldn't be delighted. But I would be relieved to get a 20% refund.

I also don't think really butlins is the type of place most people book for a quiet holiday.

TeaAndALemonTart · 27/10/2014 07:16

I think you've had an unfair spanking on here OP.

Butlins have notoriously shit customer service. You really needed to complaint at the time about the noise.

You will not get anything more from them, I would forget it and never give them a penny of your money again.

PunkrockerGirl · 27/10/2014 07:28

Whales?! Confused

Dinopaws1987 · 27/10/2014 07:38

You sound like a nightmare!

Sweeping judgements of those men -out of order. And why does them being foreign matter? How is it relevant?

How would you have responded if you found out they took sneaky photos of you and your family?

Marylou2 · 27/10/2014 07:41

Is this a joke? You go to Butlins and complain it's not exclusive enough? Hysterical!

Missunreasonable · 27/10/2014 07:44

As a mum who has been to butlins with a child who has SN who needs extra equipment I still can't fathom why it took 25 trips to the car and 3 hours to get everything into the apartment. That must be some bloody big car to hold enough stuff to require 25 trips to unload (and 4 people). Did you pack everything in little carrier bags rather than big suitcases? It makes sense to get two massive suitcases which hold everything except the medical stuff and the you only need a maximum of 4 trips to and from the car. Even if staff had helped unload it is unreasonable to pack stuff in a way which means 25 trips are required to unload and reload.
I'm not surprised that staff didn't help to unload (despite telephone reassurances) as medical equipment is too expensive and specialist for them to take the risk in case anything is damaged.

Your assumptions about the male group is shocking. They present no more safeguarding risk than any other person with or without children (people with children can cause harm too). You also don't know if they came with partners and children who left separately in a car ( it's perfectly possible). You also don't know if they lied and booked as though they had children with them and Butlins can't go making background checks on people when they book to ensure that they actually have a child. If they had a child on the booking you can't really blame butlins for that. Taking photos of people because you think they look shifty is just not acceptable.

I think butlins offer of £100 is very reasonable given that you have none of their prior promises in writing.

I am sorry that your holiday was ruined but I think the only reasonable complaints you have are about the excessive noise and the failed promise to help with your luggage (which you don't have in writing). On that basis £100 is fair.

bonkersLFDT20 · 27/10/2014 07:48

OP, haven't read the whole thread, just your contributions.

Of course you deserve a holiday. I think you've learnt the hard way what sort of holiday would work for you.

I think you need to get straight in your head what the actual problems were, removing all judgement about other people, and get back onto Butlins.

They misled you on two counts - the help with the luggage and the implication that there would not be rowdy nights.

I've heard bad things about Butlins so maybe someone has an email address or contact details of someone much higher up.

fluffyraggies · 27/10/2014 08:08

Dear lord how many more are going to come on and say

You sound like a nightmare

How horrible you're being about the men

your fault for picking Butllins

???

I hope it's lots and lots. 'Cos it's so original and helpful. Makes so much sense to post the same fucking thing over and over.

OP - in case you don't know - just once more: apparently you're a nightmare, you've been awful about the men, and you made the biggest mistake by trying to have a holiday at Butlins.

My god. Mumsnet at its worst.

Flowers OP.

TheViolentHour · 27/10/2014 08:10

Sorry you had such a crap holiday op, hope you can get a better refund out of them, but if not, there's always trip advisor, but leave out the safeguarding and foreign manual worker stuff!

fascicle · 27/10/2014 09:14

Sorry about your holiday experience, OP. As TheViolentHour has suggested, I would put to one side any assumptions about the male group, and I would would look for something closer to a full refund, on the grounds that you chose the holiday based on assurances that proved to be false. You also raised issues during your stay but were fobbed off. Had you known what you know now, you would not have booked the holiday. It does look like misrepresentation.

SilentCharisma · 27/10/2014 11:09

Gosh yes, foreigners should ALWAYS stay in the grotty caravans.

rustles Daily Mail in consternation

You sound utterly ridiculous. Not all foreign manual labourers are paedophiles you know.

Yes, complain about the noise, but saying a few beered up lads are a threat to your kids? YABVVU

KnittedJimmyBoos · 27/10/2014 11:53

Thread Still running I see.

Interesting and MN was supposed to be about support?

Mn do you think its right this thread is still here.

At HQ did you grasp what op meant in reference to the men and trying to work out why they were there. Lots of foreign men do do contract jobs now, its not offensive to suggest it? She was told it was a just for tots holiday, so she has a right to wonder why a group of men are on it?

I and many others understood what she meant, she is a new mother and has a disabled child too boot.

IS it right and in the spirit of MN she is being willfully misinterpreted and used as a punch bag?

KnittedJimmyBoos · 27/10/2014 11:54

silent are caravans grotty?

My sil lived in one and I have stayed in many, not grotty at all.

Op was trying to work out who exactly the men were as she was lied to repeatedly by Butlins.

Silent does it make you feel good to talk in such a way, to this op?

Sirzy · 27/10/2014 11:57

But butlins told her when she asked that if someone had a long standing booking before the date was announced they were still allowed. And rightly so, you would be mighty pissed off if your booking was cancelled wouldn't you?

The op was seemingly misguided by whoever she spoke to on the phone - valid reason for a complaint AND the refund she has already had.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 27/10/2014 12:00

She has hardly had a holiday has she.

Disgusted and appalled by some posters on this thread. Mn at its absolute worse.

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