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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
suethebastards · 27/10/2014 17:47

OP, I completely understand you point here but speaking about the blokes next door as foreign manual labourers who definitely didn't look like the sort of people to book a break in advance doesn't help your cause at all.

If I worked at Butlins and your letter had landed on my desk with that attitude I'd have sent it back rolled up in a tubular shape so you could shove it up your pompous, entitled, judgemental arse easily.

Tingatingatale · 27/10/2014 17:50

I have been to butlins for just for tots weeks and also for adult weekends. If I had paid for a gold apartment and had people upstairs keeping me and my children up all night I would complain too. Also if you had explained about the equipment and needing help and it was offered but not given I would be upset about that as well. You do have a right to complain and you do have a right to be upset.

I don't get why you are all so up in arms. A room full of tradesmen above me (and my dh is a tradesman) would pee me off totally

RockinHippy · 27/10/2014 17:55

Has no one considered that by a "safe guarding issue" the OP might just mean that allowing groups of drunken men, or women for that matter at a "tots" weekender doesn't actually mean that she thinks they are probably paedophiles - simply that they are drunk & acting inappropriately around little ones & leaving the parents needing to be even more vigilant for fear of the drunks causing accidents - when she had hoped & was lead to believe she had bought a drunken ass free weekend

SoonToBeSix · 27/10/2014 18:37

Minty I read the whole thread , I posted very early on. My comment re tots week is from personal experience. The op was given incorrect information over the telephone.

peasandlove · 27/10/2014 19:00

God what an awful thread. Hope the op is ok.
Have no idea why anyone posts on Aibu they are most likely to be abused for anything they say that the professionally offended can grab hold of.
Worse if the thread is started on a Friday or Saturday evening when a few wines are consumed.

Missunreasonable · 27/10/2014 19:23

Has no one considered that by a "safe guarding issue" the OP might just mean that allowing groups of drunken men, or women for that matter

I initially thought that safeguarding issue could mean all manner of things but then I did get sidetracked and discussed more specific risks. Having been to butlins several times I do think the actual parents of some children present the biggest safe guarding risks of all visitors. The lack of parental supervision in pool areas, at the shows and at restaurants is where I see lots of risks. If the OP wants to discuss noise and disturbance then I can fully sympathise but when judgements are made based on people looking foreign and being male with no further info then I get a bit Hmm

Missunreasonable · 27/10/2014 19:25

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone.

That was the line I took issue with because all of the guests could have been anyone.

jellybelly701 · 27/10/2014 19:42

rockin yes I did consider that. Until the OP said this If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation and this these men could have been anyone

To me it is crystal clear what the OP is implying.

For what its worth, I too wouldn't be happy with being kept awake all night or receiving the wrong information over the phone But they have offered you £100 for their cock up. What exactly do you aim to achieve from 'taking this further'?

PhaedraIsMyName · 27/10/2014 20:02

I think what the OP is saying that she took Butlins at their word that within this time period the resort was reserved exclusively for families with children in that age group. There are clearly holidays which do stick to specific age groups.

If one were starting from that point of view one might query why 4 men with no children were there. If you were a young man on an 18-30 holiday you'd be very surprised (and probably very disappointed) if I and my 50+ aged friends turned up.

Soontobesix pointed out that Butlins do not actually keep the resort free for families; they simply provide facilities for children.

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TSSpectreDNCOntheParanormal · 27/10/2014 20:20

I'd have done my nut frankly. Losing sleep because there's a room full of piss heads next door isn't acceptable regardless of whether you're at Butlins or the Mandarin Oriental. Yes, the OP has made some remarks she has retracted, but resorting to hyperbole when you're bloody furious isn't uncommon.

I'd go back and say I'd accept a 50% refund, on the basis that every night of your holiday I.e half your time at the camp was ruined. Butlins could have easily sent security up to shut them up, they just chose not to.

Mintyy · 27/10/2014 20:25

Yes, and so if she was given incorrect information over the telephone she is quite within her rights to want compensation. For this, for the lack of promised assistance with her luggage, and for the disturbance from her selfish arsehole neighbours who Butlins told her would not be there.

TSSpectreDNCOntheParanormal · 27/10/2014 20:33

The thing is, when you think you're dealing in good faith you DONT follow things up in writing.

If Butlins are advertising a kids week, you'd be well within your rights to expect not to be next to a room full of adult piss heads. You went one step further and checked that. Butlins said yes that's the case and you trusted them.

Yes we all know about the stag and hen weekends blah, blah but at a specifically advertised pre-schooler time you'd think they'd scrape up the last vestiges of their integrity and at least segregate the punters a bit better.

jellybelly701 · 27/10/2014 20:50

rockin if that was aimed at me as I was the most recent to reply directly to you, then I will have you know that I haven't attacked the OP or vented through my 'vile spleen' nor have I been a 'nasty bitch'

Yes I may have expressed that I was offended at the idea that these men had lied/had a hidden agenda for being there. But frankly I would be more 'ashamed' at myself if I didn't.

I said in my last post that I too wouldn't be happy with the situation (as in not getting what you paid for) so I don't blame the OP for being annoyed either Hmm

FoodieToo · 27/10/2014 20:52

Can't believe you went to Butlins. I mean what we you expecting?

And three hours to bring your suitcases to your room?? How many cases did you have???? 100?

aoife24 · 27/10/2014 20:56

What would you consider reasonable; what are you wanting to come out of this?

RockinHippy · 27/10/2014 21:00

Aimed at anyone nit picking the irrelevant details & attacking purely for the sake of it jelly if you are guilty of that, then yes, you too, ICBA to read back

Foodie do readings OPs updates before posting silly comments, she has equipment for her SN DCs

kali110 · 27/10/2014 21:27

Rockin a lot of people have said they have had sympathy myself included. They also said shes right to complain at having no assistance people have
Simply taken offence at her implying that this group were peodos.
Not everybody saying this were attacking her, but they were right to be offended by these comments. I myself was.
I said they may have had no control over where they were staying, their employees may have booked them in there.
Its hypocritical to go on about everyone saying vile comments and having no humanity and then coming out and calling posters nasty bitches.

BobbyDazzler1 · 27/10/2014 21:55

I think you're having a hard time on here.

Obviously you should be totally compensated for the 'holiday' you endured.

You went with certain expectations - to be in a block with family groups, to have assistance with your luggage. These issues were very important to you and that is why you went to the trouble to ensure this would be the case before you booked.

But instead you got the holiday from hell - a relatively expensive holiday from hell. None of the things you were promised actually happened - far from it.

I think you should receive a full refund for that.

I don't think many mums with small children would actually be laid back about an experience like that. if they were honest.

Definitely not a fuss over nothing.

All the best.

Missunreasonable · 27/10/2014 22:27

Thinking about the £100 refund. What percentage of the total room booking does that represent. Premium dining and b line passes are at least a couple of hundred pounds and the OP did benefit from those aspects. I'm assuming she ate in the restaurant and enjoyed the shows. The noise disturbance and drunken behaviour of the men is related to the room experience. What was the total room cost (booking cost minus dining and b line passes)? I'm reckoning the refund given represents between a third and a half of the room cost.

RockinHippy · 27/10/2014 23:51

Not really sure how you can really enjoy the daytime activities if you all feel rough as hell from lack of sleep Confused

WhereDoAllTheCalculatorsGo · 28/10/2014 08:18

I'm staggered by FoodieToo's snobby and condescending attitude towards Butlins.
Many, many people go there on holiday. It might not be your idea of a nice time but your attitude towards those that do is appalling. When my DC were pre-schoolers I had a couple of nice breaks at Butlins. They catered very well for small children and I remember the food being fab and the entertainment wonderful. (Was a long time ago, youngest DC is now 18)

alemci · 28/10/2014 08:43

Yes we went to a Butlins Hotel and Spring Harvest in the 90s. I must admit some of the customers at the Hotel were a bit rowdy and one particular family which my dh had an unpleasant encounter with.

The meals were great and the entertainment and it was really good value. The staff were really great too and the manager sorted the issue out for us.

lemonpuffbiscuit · 28/10/2014 09:19

Sounds like a nightmare break!! I have low expectations of Butlins though. Having unpacked a badly packed car for 5 of us, I can see with breast feeding and a few short rests, it could take a while.

I think it's fine to say the chaps were men, foreign. I'm sure you would have worried about child protection issues regardless of who the adult group was made up of.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 28/10/2014 09:27

Loving the Ego trips on here.

Ego reads some innocent sentences, easy to understand in the context of the holiday and the lies told by Butlins about her holiday....
But Ego chooses to read these in the wrong way, pick them out and then chooses to attack a mother with a small baby ( 6 months) a disabled two year old toddler ( toddler!!!) and poster with elderly mother in tow.

Sad because ego is offended, so lay into this lady, she is fair game.

Ego is as Ego does.

Very low.

Ever heard the phrase kick a dog when its down? Thats what your doing.