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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
VitoCorleone · 26/10/2014 22:45

Urgh that sounds shit OP, people partying when you're trying to sleep, so bloody inconsiderate, especially after having to deal with all your luggage Thanks

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 22:53

I've just been quickly looking at a couple of other threads about Butlins and it struck me that I have never been to a holiday camp of any kind. Is it possible to visit just for a day? I feel like it is a British experience that I think I know about, but have never experienced first hand. Which is nearest Butlins to London?

Trollsworth · 26/10/2014 22:56

Omg you poor thing! Foreigners! Near you! Whilst you were on holiday!

Shameful.

QuintessentiallyGhoulish · 26/10/2014 22:59

Ugh Mintyy.

DH and I went to Butlins somewhere in Whales for the day once.

There was a games room for ping pong and fruit machines, a swimming pool, and a couple of restaurants with sticky plastic tables. I dont think you are missing out on much!

If you can imagine 4 square meters of Trocadero, spread over a site 10 times the size of 4x4, and with restaurants with plastic palms, you are there.

ScaryZ · 26/10/2014 22:59

You've been looking at a few threads and you've decided you want to go, Mintyy?

Are you sure you are feeling ok

kali110 · 26/10/2014 23:08

What has ops name got to do with anything?

She inbu for moaning about having no assistance or no sleep, but very unreasonable and offensive for saying the things she did about the men staying there.
Its horrible to imply they had any intentions other than to work then to have some drinks.

If these men were working on the site then possibly they didn't even have no say to sleeping arrangements? They went where their employer put them?

ravenAK · 26/10/2014 23:09

I quite fancy doing one of the punk weekenders!

Not so sold on it as a family holiday, & agree that Gove's nobbling of termtime holidays has probably buggered their business model.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 23:12

I live near a butlins and there is always a lot of trouble there. I wouldn't go near it, even for a day trip.

Nothing to do with snobbery, but even this week it was in our local paper for trouble.

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Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 23:13

I take my last comment back as it's a Haven now. It used to be Butlins and us locals still refer to it as Butlins.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 23:16

So if you don't agree with the op you are a "nut job" or a troll?

Seriously? I'm really despairing with mumsnet these days. Unless you are all in complete agreement with a poster it's not worth posting your opinion even if it is valid.

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 23:20

Nicknacky - the nutjob comment was one in a thread of 162 messages. Perhaps try and get things in proportion?

TheOriginalNutcracker · 26/10/2014 23:21

I'm off to Butlins for a hen weekend on Friday, 80's theme. I am a little bit scared lol.

Op i'd accept the £100 and move on.

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 23:22

Scary - its just an experience I haven't had. Some of the other threads on here about Butlins and Haven have been very positive actually! Halloween Grin

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 23:23

Mintyy I'm perfectly in proportion but but baffled why a poster would tell her to ignore all the nut jobs. I can't think of any posters who this could apply to, can you?

TheOriginalNutcracker · 26/10/2014 23:24

Oh I've been to Butlins before, but with toddlers, and that was years ago.

It'll be a laugh though I am sure, so I will just go with the flow Grin

Downamongtherednecks · 26/10/2014 23:31

YANBU to keep complaining until they increase the compensation. They misrepresented the week as "just for tots" and failed to meet the agreed standard you asked for, including assistance with luggage for your dc and elderly mother. Ignore all the fake outrage you are getting here about daring to say manual labourers. So what? You paid for a higher standard of accommodation because you didn't want to listen to a bunch of drunk men blue or white collar, British or not carousing all night when you have small dc and an elderly relative. Sorry your holiday was ruined, it sounds as though you needed it. Sue them.

kali110 · 26/10/2014 23:32

Nutjob and trolldweller?
I was on ops side untill the offensive remarks.
Not everybody is going to agree.
It doesn't make them nutjobs or such just because they don't agree.

kali110 · 26/10/2014 23:35

Down people are not outraged for calling them manual workers, it was for saying they were foreign and a risk to her children. Those were just some of the remarks.
Just because they were a group of men on their own doesn't mean they had any bad intentions towards her kids.

DawnMumsnet · 26/10/2014 23:36

Evening all,

Can we please bear in mind that the OP came here looking for advice and support tonight. She's apologised for any offence she unintentionally caused, so we'd be really grateful if you could all cut her a bit of slack.

Thank you Thanks

Aeroflotgirl · 26/10/2014 23:43

Yanbu in the sense that you were assured before you booked that there would be no noisy groups whilst they are running their Just for Tots break, and there were. I would have complained straight away and asked to be moved.

You took pictures of these men, they were not doing anything illegal fgs. Its not the mens problem the Organisation let them stay there, they should vet things better.

Inlimbo1982 · 27/10/2014 00:59

If I wasn't happy with it, I would have probably complained at the reception and gone home. I Wouldn't have stayed for 5 days. Maybe you could have gone sooner then got more of your money back.

RockinHippy · 27/10/2014 01:19

Thank you Dawnmumsnet :)

I don't see a problem with the OP taking the photos, I read that as her just getting evidence that the chalet above was occupied by a group of adult males only, not a family as she had been led to be believed.

I agree some of her comments were off & best left out of a complaint, but she apologised & she obviously is dealing with a heap of stress & no sleep for days & no doubt having to calm her DCs too, doesn't exactly make a person rational

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 27/10/2014 02:35

Ugh

This makes me cross, it's like a bloody snake pit in here. Back the hell off from the poor OP (who not surprisingly seems to have done a runner).

If anyone complaining about the OP'

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 27/10/2014 02:40

Posted too soon...

Was just going to say I can't stand rowdy men at the best of times (or women) and hate having sleep disturbed so not surprised op was pissed off. It sounds like it was a hellish time. But thanks to certain posters she has crawled off feeling even worse, not that she has enough on her plate already by the sounds of it. Nice going. slow clap