to think it's too bloody dark too early and Scotland should have its own timezone if they want lighter mornings?

[MardyBra]

Just that really.

I don't like the dark evenings, but I HATE the dark mornings. I'd rather be getting up in the light (or at least the dawn), and switch the lights on late afternoon, than get out of bed in the dark for even more weeks of the year, for the sake of another hour of half-hearted, grudging winter daylight in the afternoon.

Seasonally adjusted school days sounds good, although would have knock on effects for workplaces. There are going to be some trials of banning traffic at start and end of the school day here. Wouldn't have made a difference for my school as the main traffic dangers were halfway home.

Whatever we do with the clocks though, we will be on limited daylight soon anyway. Wish we had better street lighting for avoiding dog poo though - challenging just now especially with so many leaves on the ground.

How on earth can you ban traffic at the start and end of school days?

Limited time road closures. Only works on certain roads obviously, but we're in a city so there are alternative routes.

Also, US states have two legislatures each - state and federal. Which is possibly irrelevant

I don't understand this... in what way does a state have a federal legislature?

I t up very early and get home late. I am part mole these days.

But in the depths of winter it's dark in the morning AND in the evening (at least it is here in Yorkshire) so really, it doesn't make a difference what time it is.

Er - why don't we just keep the clocks on GMT all year round, and then leave it to each region/area as to when the school day starts and ends. Businesses and shops could open and close when they want, and not have to stick to the 9-5.30 or whatever.

I'm sure this argument has been raging since I was a child (so well over 40 years) and I've never quite understood it. The amount of daylight is finite - in mid-December, you get eight hours of daylight, 8am to 4pm (roughly) and whichever way you cut it, it's going to piss off somebody. At this time of year you have a choice between lighter evenings and lighter mornings - I can't see it matters that much either way.

I must live in a real bubble, I haven't noticed much change so far, apart from tonight when it was dark very early (I live in Scotland)

To conclude, it's dark. It's shit. It's winter in the UK.

I don't understand this... in what way does a state have a federal legislature?
I'm not sure exactly what my point was there, to be honest.
I was responding to this: "Individual US states only have one legislature, and are distinctly more culturally and politically integrated (and homogenous) than the UK." and was trying to point out that US states are subject both to state legislature and federal legislature. I still don't know what it has to do with time zones though.

LOL Ninja, I was wondering if I'd missed something :-)

I'm in Scotland and I agree with you. I hate the shorter days. The mornings are crap anyway, so why not make them really crap, and let it stay lighter till later.

I have always been told its due to the "farmers in Scotland" wanting lighter mornings but that makes no sense. They aren't required at school by 9am or whatever so can get up when they like!

And by the way, Scotland can't agree on anything right now so no point asking us to sort it out for ourselves!

It's horrible to have to get up and go to work in the dark. Worse I think than coming home in the dark.

Totally pees me off. Much prefer lighter (ish) evenings.

Maybe the tiny part of the south of Britain should have their own timezone and let the rest of us be meh we all hate the dark winter it depresses us all I hate the clock change but I wouldn't blame a whole country for my pissed offness

I don't think anyone was seriously 'blaming' Scotland.

I don't think the timezones idea would work though. Imagine living on the edge of the zone so that your house was on a different time to your work.

Also we can't have different starting times for schools because that would be tricky too for people with jobs and kids in school.