to think it's too bloody dark too early and Scotland should have its own timezone if they want lighter mornings?

[MardyBra]

Just that really.

fanny

"Scotland" doesn't want early mornings, I'd rather have light evenings. I'd happily stay on BST all year, the clock moving thing is stupid, especially as they leave it until March to put them foreword again, if it was in Feb so equidistant from the winter solstice to October it would be better.
I thought farmers wanted it.

I have the solution 2rebecca. We could have BST and BFT "British Farmer Time".

The Farmers would just need to switch their clocks when they wanted to interact with the rest of society.

Mardy no it was aimed at poster called Duh then random letters

:)

I am liking the idea of BFT

If we're allowed to consider things like moving the country over a bit how about a big mirror in orbit instead to shine the sun down 24/7. It'd save a fortune in lighting bills.

Special subject it's not a fact that Scotland is a lot further north than England. The fact is that parts of Scotland are further north than England but in actual fact there are parts of England further north than parts of Scotland....look at a map!

I live in England but travel south to Scotland weekly.

There are quite a few posters with a poor knowledge of geography on here, the border isn't a completely horizontal line.

YABU

Nobody minds staying up after dark, but getting up before dawn is totally unnatural.

It was so much better getting up in the daylight today rather than the darkness of the last few weeks.

Mardy, you are lovely and not being farmerist at all!

Terrible confession to make, we don't go by a clock but get up when it gets light so about 1/2 past six ish this morning. Yes, there is a clock but the battery died some time ago so I suppose we do go by BFT but on a different BFT from dairy farmers whom I suspect never get much sleep.

Scotland encompasses a huge area from the Shetland Islands to the border so within Scotland itself, there will be daybreak, dusk differences.

It was still dark when I got up this morning. YANBU

You're right (of course) innogen but I fear a thread that has already discussed moving the entire British Isles nearer the equator may not be totally geographically precise

I'm in Scotland and don't like it getting dark early.

Just asked my DD - she thinks we should be on BST all year. She'd much rather leave for school in the dark and come home in daylight. Where we are in the North of England it'll be dark in the morning before long too anyway.

I'd go for BST in winter and BST+1 in summer - what they did in WWII. Lovely really long light evenings and not quite such an early dawn chorus.

I remember walking home from school in the almost-dark with lorries thundering past. Not fun. But then some areas will have that in the morning. Maybe we should go back to each village/town having their own local time?

I vote we do away with time altogether. It causes far too many arguments.

But what would Professor Brian Cox have left to poutingly explain?!

Aha - you have spotted the flaw in my plan. Dammit

Perhaps he could describe what time might theoretically look like, whilst alternatively pouting and grinning in equal measures to camera?

duhgldiuhfdsli you get the prize for the most knowledgeable posts. I applaud you. I especially agree with your well made point about lives being saved by staying on BST but that sadly the children killed in the early mornings would have names and faces, whereas those (larger numbers) saved from being killed on their journeys home would not be identifiable.

OP YANBU. I can't see what the problem would be if England were in line with Europe on times, and Scotland free to choose to join in, or not, as fancy took it. If those up in the north of England also want lighter mornings rather than afternoons then the time zone could even be drawn somewhere South of the Scottish Border.

Phaedra, the world is bigger than just Scandinavia - or even just Europe.

If those up in the north of England also want lighter mornings rather than afternoons ...

Noooo!

Maybe part of the answer is that regions should be able to seasonally adjust their school days. You could have a shorter day in winter, with more reading/online assignments etc.

Or maybe car-free zones around schools are the answer, as opposed to tinkering about with time zones on a tiny island.

Tanith pretty irrelevant comment when we are talking about Europe and "countries farther north than Scotland".

I haven't checked every single country but Norway, Sweden and Finland are further north and adjust their clocks. The Netherlands, France, Germany,
Belgium, the Czech Republic, Hungary all do. It's nonsense, as the poster who raised this point tried to do, to make out this is some weird British practice which no-one else does.

Iceland doesn't as it would be pointless. I've been in Reyjavik on midsummer day; adjusting the clock would achieve nothing.

SirChenjin good idea!