to think it's too bloody dark too early and Scotland should have its own timezone if they want lighter mornings?

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Just that really.

I'm in Scotland and just hate the lack of light from now on, regardless of whether we have the extra hour of light in the morning or afternoon. The sun is so weak it doesn't make much difference! We moved back to the uk from southern California, returning in October, which was pretty much the worst time of year to return, and that first winter in Scotland was so long and so tough. Time to get out my SAD lamp...

I agree. Re america, that is one country with different time zomes!

I am with the OP. I find the early darkness at this time of year depressing.

I understand what people are saying about children getting to school in daylight, but I still can't make myself like this time of year. I kind of feel like hibernating and not wanting to emerge until March when clocks go forward again.

I think during the Second World War there was double summer time (i.e. clocks two hours ahead of GMT)?? From the people I know who have talked about it, it was well accepted. Not sure why it was discontinued.

I am a supporter of the Lighter Later Campaign. Was disappointed when it was blocked and hope it gets another outing soon. It usually comes up for debate at this time of year for obvious reasons.

Theres hardly any difference in it. It is just as crappy and dark in Scotland

There is a way if saying things and the title here is goady. I hate dark mornings and evenings it's dark when I get to work and when I leave. Will need to go out walking at lunchtime now to keep me from the grips of SAD.

Statistically there were fewer accidents when we stayed on bst
I would prefer to keep bst all year round (Northern England)

GentleOtter love your tilt / tilth the earth comment.

I think we need boxed time zones really to account for latitude and longitude.

In December there's only 8 hours daylight so you can only have light at one end of the working day. Getting up in the dark is just soooooo depressing. I am old enough to remember when we tried having BST throughout the year, and having to stumble across the fields with a torch walking the dog before going to work was just no fun at all.

Equally all this faff with changing the clocks twice a year is a serious pain.

My vote goes for GMT all the year round - and btw I live in the home counties.

I'm Scottish in Scotland and I'd happily not change the clocks. Bst all year round or gmt, take your pick then leave the pissing time alone!

YADNBU. It pisses me right off too.

YABU I find the dark mornings much harder than dark evenings. At least now it's vaguely light when I wake up/head in to work.

Yanbu. It's stupid to change the clocks.

I'm in Scotland and couldn't give a fig - I love dark wintery mornings/evenings. I feel pressure to be "doing" worthy stuff on light nights rather than veg in my pjs.

I think basically I was made to hibernate. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day reading these type of threads every ruddy October.

LineRunner

I hate the endless dark nights plus it is freezing cold. Hibernation is a good idea or move the whole of Scotland to New Zealand for winter. I'm genuinely wondering how they cope in Shetland in winter as their days are even shorter than, say, Perth or Dundee.

Is it a crazy idea to suggest schools begin at 10am and finish at 3pm in winter? That gives the council time to grit roads etc and it might be safer for travelling.

Because it'd be dark here till about 10 in the mornings in the far north.

Didn't they do a trial of this in the late 60s and actually there was a reduction in road traffic accidents because evening rush hour was lighter?

Sorry, display has changed to pages and I posted thinking I was after next poster who it transpires is about seven pages back.

Lol "Gentleotter" I'm in Shetland and this click changing makes no sense. Plus farmers have lights in their sheds, lights on their tractors & most kids up here get the school bus or are driven as the weather is so horrific :D And we have plenty of leisure centres (with even more lights) to excercise in.

*clock

And yes in December we honestly get about 3hours proper light, the rest is dusk or dark!

Emily, you're right, when BST all year round was tried out it was found that road accidents fell. I was living in the North at the time, and we loved the lighter evenings.

There was barely any daylight here today anyway.