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AIBU?

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..To think we British people are becoming insufferably smug and aggressive?

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Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 11:35

It's Sunday morning and I'm not here to start a fight. But after a fair few years on this earth, I was asking my partner this morning AIBU for thinking we are becoming some of the smuggest, aggressive, entitled people in our history?

The last month has felt like a microcosm of this world I describe. My life is ok - I have some money, I have a great other half, I am neither rich nor poor. I live near a school, it's a house with a driveway and we like the house because it's close to local shops and the station. I don't want to move. Yet every other day I have a large car, 4x4 or otherwise it doesn't matter, blocking my driveway for at least half an hour. For what it's worth, because I am someone who works unusual hours, I actually need to get my car off the driveway. Why is it that every mother I politely speak to about this ("I'm afraid I need to use my driveway regularly, could you find another space please) either 1) glares at me 2) tells me to f_ck off 3) tells me "not to speak to her family that way" (um...I wasn't addressing her child!) the list goes on.

These mothers all tend to be the same. Glaring, aggressive, believing only in their own world. It's the usual regular suspects. Yes, I can call the council and have done. Yes, I could move house but I don't want to. It's the aggressiveness of the British woman that amazes me, with the default to tell me "don't talk to me - just solve the problem I and others have caused you". Whatever happened to starting with yourself?

The month got even better. I'm at a Sainsbury's car park, it's rammed with cars, not sure how many spaces left, in any case I find one and am looking to reverse...when lo! a woman appears from behind a parked car and stands directly in the path of my car. When I politely inquire out of the window "excuse me is everything ok" she belligerently replies "can't you see this space is taken?" and then waves forward a car about six car lengths back from behind me. What on earth?! I keep moving forward, she tells me to f_ck off (familiar words to me). I'm told I sound smug for challenging her, but to be honest this is lunacy to me. What makes her so entitled?

And then it gets ridiculous. Dinner with my friend last night. She's a teacher, 5'8", pretty, slim, lives on her own and doesn't have a whole bunch of money. She happens to be a good sportswoman though, yet tells me she is being bullied by two members of her team. These are so-called 'society women', who relentlessly criticised her this summer for "always wearing t-shirts" (!) that they felt were distracting their husbands. These women happen to be a little larger than her, richly festooned with watches etc, but are clearly taking early shots in what they perceive to be a war against her natural youth and figure. They rub it in that she has no money, as if she is there at the grace of her sponsors. They endlessly talk about how their house "has made £50,000 in the last six months" (despite not having realised its value by selling up). So what about her clothing Well, I have seen her t-shirts. They are crew neck, they fit her, she is a happy and young sportswoman who enjoys her life. What is wrong with British women?

Why are people at my friend's work so quick to criticise the Eastern European business support assistant who sits at work, never saying boo to a goose, always friendly, but doesn't fit the size 14-18 Lindt chocolate scoffing, Greek island-hopping, mortgage-comparison set? I hardly think any of this warrant her being called a 'prostitute'.

We are rapidly becoming a nation of average shaped harpies, crowing because we managed to get the bank to give us some credit; quick to boot anyone out of the way who annoys us or risks showing us up for what we are.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 11:57

Mumraathenoisylion -

I do expect traffic.

I didn't realise that if you live on a school road, your needs become secondary to that of the mothers who can't walk their children up to it from a side road with plenty of non-illegal parking available.

So according to your logic, I should subsume my needs to use my driveway into the needs of the mothers who happen to send their kids to a school on this road?

In that case, any house that is on a school road, should automatically fall under the jurisdiction of the school that happens to occupy the same space?

Also, apologies, but was I meant to have mentioned a man in my post, for editorial 'balance?'All these actions happen to have taken place with these specific people.

OP posts:
Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 11:59

Bibasbottom

The problem is compounded by the subject matter. If I told people on here the truth, that I had a healthy BMI in the middle of the range, I would get flamed for it.

Easier sometimes to wear the proverbial baggy t-shirt.

OP posts:
Dumpylump · 26/10/2014 12:00

I've never met anyone like any of the people you describe...at all.
I don't think it's got anything to do with being British..........a lot of sweeping generalisations based on your own very limited experience.

Castlemilk · 26/10/2014 12:01

Ah SURREY. Why didn't you say in your OP? YANBU. Rude, pushy, materialistic, and every other child called fucking BALONZ.

fatlazymummy · 26/10/2014 12:01

OP, you're not the only person who has a problem with people parking inconsiderately near schools. I'm not sure what the solution is there.
As to the rest, well I disagree. There are unpleasant rude people within every race and nationality. Personally I get a bit fed up with continuously reading how crap British women are on various forums , I don't really expect to read it on this one.

Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 12:02

Castlemilk - this!

OP posts:
SolomanDaisy · 26/10/2014 12:03

You sound like you really dislike women.

Bibasbottom · 26/10/2014 12:03

I suppose my only other question is whether you/your friend stand up for yourselves in these situations. By taking the space, clamping the cars, telling jealous (fat) wives to get lost?

If not then surely your continued assumption of role of a victim will only reinforce your views of everyone else being belligerent?

SophiaPetrillo · 26/10/2014 12:03

Love the "I'm not here to start a fight". That's exactly what you want, and I suspect you're like this in real life, hence your frequent aggressive confrontations with random people. I think it's probably a wind-up anyway, but you are very judgemental and misogynistic as well. Good luck with that OP, you are on a hiding to nothing with your attitude and perception and are destined to have many more unpleasant encounters. Try looking at yourself before you pin the blame on everyone else.

WorraLiberty · 26/10/2014 12:04

See this parking problem you have

Is it purely limited to British women being aggressive about it?

Can you really not see how closed minded that makes you?

In almost 15 years of doing school runs, have I dreamt the huge arguments between parents outside my child's school over parking? In particular did I dream the one 2 weeks ago between two African parents screaming abuse at each other in front of the kids?

Did I dream that the person the lollipop lady had to call the police on (because he sat in the middle of the road, refusing to back his car up) was actually aggressive and Romanian?

Or shall I just selectively filter out the aggressive foreign men and women and only remember the British ones?

Yes that's what I'll do, then it'll all fit in nicely with your anti British opening post...

Castlemilk · 26/10/2014 12:05

Argh. Joke OP. Sorry Grin

26Point2Miles · 26/10/2014 12:05

op you sound just unlucky

those blocking your drive though......I have found more and more of late that anyone with a child with them has become more entitled. wonder if this is a new 'thing'....but its very different now to 20 years ago when I had dd1. I have witnessed some things similar to what you describe

I'm involved in a sport...so yes,our clothes become flimsier....and we can be seen as a threat. but that's tough!

ouryve · 26/10/2014 12:08

You do have an unfortunate knack of attracting these people, OP.Hmm

Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 12:08

WorraLiberty -

I'm British.

OP posts:
TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 26/10/2014 12:12

Do you think there's a reason why people tell you to fuck off a lot OP?

Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 12:13

TondelayoSchwarzkopf -

Yes, definitely.

I think the reason is because those people would prefer to go through life unchallenged, as if we are in some Darwinian reality TV game where the strongest, most unreasonable person should automatically win.

Driveway? Who cares if someone paid for it - that space is MINE!

OP posts:
SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 26/10/2014 12:14

I never come across people like this, or should I say women like this because you don't seem to have a problem with men. Have you considered that it may be you? I mean, to be told to fuck off once is unfortunate, to have it happen twice is unpleasant, but if it keeps happening maybe you are doing something to warrant it?

Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 12:16

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed -

Maybe you're right.

So if someone parks outside your house, and you challenge them "Excuse me, but this is a private driveway - I'll be needing to use this in a few minutes" - then the person ignores you, you ask them again, and they say "f-ck off"

What's the deal here? Are you meant to go back inside, twitch your curtains, mutter, and call in the 'authorities' like a good person?

I think we have gone nuts sometimes...we are desperate to include third parties all the time because we've forgotten who is right and wrong and how to speak to each other.

OP posts:
SirChenjin · 26/10/2014 12:17

YABU to pin the blame on one particular nationality.

YANBU to wonder at the rudeness of some people.

Bellerophon · 26/10/2014 12:20

SirChenjin -

Fair point, I apologise for the sweeping generalisation in that regard.

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AimlesslyPurposeful · 26/10/2014 12:20

OP - Have you spoken to the school?

When cars from DS3s school park on a drive the resident phones in with the number plate and then the school names and shames in an email that goes out to all the parents.

I don't know what's happening either. I do think people in general are becoming less considerate but I don't think it's solely a British thing or a female thing.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 26/10/2014 12:21

Why not put a lovely lawn and flowers over your driveway and park on the street if it causes you so much stress?

Greengrow · 26/10/2014 12:22

I would buy bollards if I were you and put the on the road outside your drive . It can be very effective at stopping people parking across a drive.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 26/10/2014 12:22

I wouldn't challenge them (or call the authorities), I couldn't care less who parks outside my house, I don't own the public road.

SophiaPetrillo · 26/10/2014 12:22

I was thinking that ^^. Just park in the street over your own driveway, problem solved.

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