AIBU to wonder why the feck teacher training days can't be delivered in the holidays.

[Billynomates71]

Anyone?

Because teachers often work 7:30am-10pm plus at least one day a weekend in very pressurised environments and hence for their survival need their holidays. They then work on average half of each holiday on planning for the term ahead.
I think this topic has been done plenty of times. Yes there are other jobs which have it worse. And yes, there are other jobs which have it better.

For fuck's sake. Not another idiot who can't comprehend basic facts. Teachers lost 5 days of their holidays when these days were introduced. Pupils are in school for the same days they've always been. Now slide off and crawl back under your rock.

I just don't get why teachers think they work so much harder than anybody else.

Comparing now with then is pointless re when we didn't have and now we do have inset days.

The reality is that you as teachers are paid on average a sum equivalent to many others working a 48week year, less public/bank holidays. That equates to ~232 days a year of work. Which is 37 more days than teachers are required to work.

I would think that that, combined with the minimum 2hours at the end of every single teaching day, should be sufficient to mark, plan, organise your classes, and do the odd training day.

I know that the curriculum rolls over, so many lesson plans are rehashed from year to year ( told to me by teachers I know). You are not reinventing the wheel every year.

I am not sure why you think you should be paid more than your existing full time wage to do a a full time job?

Has op seen the recent iplayer films in trainee teachers....

Ours had a development day last week, and then finish at 12 this Friday and then are off for a week and a day for half term. They also finish an hour early for four days this week to facilitate parent/teacher interviews. I rang the school about something last week on the development day and the head answered - he said the teacher I wished to speak to was away home already. This was at 1pm.

I just accept all of this has to be! I just wish they would give more than a weeks notice for these things. Obviously that is not the fault of individual teachers though.

Purple - INSET days are in the holidays.

Want more holidays? Become a teacher.

Want to be off when your kids are? Become a teacher.

Want to have absolutely no choice or flexibility in when you have holidays? Become a teacher.

Want to work set hours with no flexi time? Become a teacher.

it takes 2 hours to mark ONE set of books.

plus i have meetings 3/5 nights

I just don't get why teachers think they work so much harder than anybody else do they?

I understand you don't like teachers op - but do try and get over it

also teachign standards change EVERY YEAR - we have jus updated all ours from last year that already look tired.

You dont just open a text book, you know

What would you like teachers to actually do to address your concerns, OP?

If it's so cushy, train up and do it yourself.

It's not the hardest profession, and not the worst paid, but does seem to attract some of the most stupid, goady, ignorant, clap trap comments.

You are unbelievable, Billy, and not in a good way.

We also have less holidays than many other countries. Having to seek out childcare is dealt with in these countries too. Maybe the resentment should be directed to the govt. Maybe workplaces should get tax breaks for flexible family friendly working. Maybe it's someone elses fault you resent your working hours and childcare options.

Nope, you're wrong Billy

Which professions do you think they get paid the same pay to do those hours with those qualifications?

And unfortunately they are re inventing the bloody wheel most years as the curriculum changes

This year in my Dh's subjects he has redone Philosophy A level over the summer, the RE A2 has changed since he last taught, and gcse English has changed spec - so that's 3/4 of his teaching has changed this year

They may work a long week but they always have a break to look forward to in the not too distant future.

This is the chestnut. People either say 'yes teachers work long hours but it's ok because they have the holidays' but then in the next breath it's 'teachers get too many holidays'.

So which is it? Do you take into account the working week and justify the holidays or not? You can't have it both ways.

I truly pity the offspring of people this stupid.

So what if the teach was at home at 1?

Also all those people saying if you want those holidays just bcome a teacher is a bit childish.
I went into the profession I am in because that is what I was interested in, good at, had the personality for. I didn't choose it because of the holidays I got. People choose their professions for a myriad of reasons and I hope holidays isn't the main reason for most people.

I just don't get why teachers think they work so much harder than anybody else

Because they are constantly having to defend their oh so fucking easy job when idiots like you whinge on and on spouting utter nonsense.

It takes an hour to mark a set of books, I have at least 3 sets a day,extended writing takes a minumum of 5 hours to mark a set, that's once a week, all the planning is new this year as we have a completely new curriculum, a weeks planning takes a whole day to do, I have an after school club, management meeting or staff meeting three times a week until 5 o clock.
A couple of hours work after 3.15 would be lovely but unfortunately I'd be in capability procedures before the end of term!

"I can't understand why they don't put training days in the holidays."

Because some external trainers aren't available then.

And don't forget, that for every parent who would prefer INSET days to be tacked on to an existing break, there's another one who says those breaks are long enough already to find childcare and they would prefer them during term time. You can't please everyone, so hey, guess what, the schools plan their training to suit their own needs

Yup. It's a great job with great holidays. That's why I choose to do it

And why I fail to understand the teacher bashing threads. Just bloody do it if you think it's so simple.

It always amazes me that certain professions when questioned are so angry on mumsnet.

I'm not a teacher. I did however leave midwifery as the hours, training, registration, shifts, poor pay meant that I was seriously lacking in quality family time and with parking, fuel and childcare took home less than I paid out. I retrained for a job with family friendly hours and ultimately more pay.

The argument that people came back with when they questioned why I was quitting was that I knew the hours, workload and pay before I started training so I had no grounds for complaint? Surely that applies to teachers?

Perhaps if the posters who are so defensive that they come across as incredibly aggressive and angry, either declined to comment or commented without the sarcasm and vitriol, people like the op wouldn't need to respond in a comparable manner.