To be totally baffled (Ched Evans related)

[soapboxqueen]

Just reading in the guardian that Ched Evans has applied to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to review his case. That's fine because it is part of our due process and legal system.

However, in the article it points out that his girlfriend's father is paying for appeal barristers, private detectives and even offering a reward for information in order to help his appeal. Why would you do that? Why would you put up so much money to protect a person who at best (from their perspective at least) cheated on your daughter in a rather deplorable fashion and at worst a rapist? Why would got want your daughter to be with such a person?

I really don't understand.

I'll see if I can get the link to work.

Mascara

I have spent decades working in subs abuse and in health care. You are talking nonsense. People can and do black out after drinking a couple of units. I have seen it myself. The response to alcohol can be atypical and it depends upon far more than frame.

Squoosh

I pity his girlfriend and I admire and respect the woman he raped. Believe me, pity is not a good thing to feel from my perspective.

She is also a pathetic specimen- the dishrag and patsy of a convicted rapist.

Seven - the doctor who examined her first estimated that as her probable blood alcohol level the night before.
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Anyway, what am I worried about it, this lot will roast you to death mate

Thanks for your concern and I'm not your 'mate'

Not to women, anyway.

My father would have told me to ditch him and run a mile from him. Utterly bizarre that the girlfriend's father is spending money to help him - completely deluded.

Even if the girl had consented it's disgusting behaviour - going along to have sex with a girl your friend has picked up while your brother and another are filming it outside. Complete lack of respect for other humans and his mother and father have done a shit job in bringing them up. Absolutely sickening. Who would want a relationship with him now?

I cannot understand the girlfriends father at all, I am just utterly baffled at why he would do this.

Its giving her the message to her that no matter what they do, or how they betray or disrespect you or any other woman, ultimately a man is always more important.

If she were my daughter then I be like, 'sweetheart, you are worth so much more than that, you don't need a scumbag like Ched in your life. Lets jus lt forget about him, you could find someone so much better, someone who will respect women and treat them, and most of all you, with the love you have always deserved'.

But no her father says 'ok, so he went on a night out, received a text on his way home to tell him his mate had picked up a random girl, so diverted tthe taxi to the hotel, let himself into the room and had a go on her himself, apparently without her consent, all while you were waiting for him at home. Right sweetheart, lets just toss aside the fact that he has betrayed you in pretty much the worst way someone can do to their partner, and the fact that there is a possibility that this was a rape, obviously the only thing to do here is spend thousands of pounds to try and clear his name. Poor old Ched.'

This is actually my face:

It's really strange, because I can't think of anything much more cut and dried than this case.

In law, she could not have consnted, since she was falling over drunk. He knew that and did not care.

I also think that the fact that his family are going on TV and repeatedly saying 'what he did was not rape, he just told the truth and somehow they found him guilty' is not doing him any favours at all because its just showing what a dangerous man he still is.

Yes, the reason that you told the truth and that the jury still found you guilt is because what you did was RAPE. I honestly think he just thinks that he is innocent because in his eyes letting yourself into a hotel room and penetrating a very very drunk woman who is already havin sex with your mate is a perfectly ok thing to do.

Yes, Everyfreckle. It shows he thinks he did nothing worng, would do it again.

It makes you wonder how prevalent that sort of behaviour is for it to be deemed normal

Just popping a head in here to remind all posters of our campaign to dispel the many myths surrounding rape.

In view of this, have deleted a few recent posts on this thread - which we felt were out of kilter with the campaign. Where posters have engaged in the debate and challenged some assumptions, we've left as is. Hope you feel we've got the balance right, please report anything that you'd like us to take another look at.

I would love to know how they have had the review fast-tracked. Is it to do with his employability I wonder.

Can't imagine what new evidence they think they have, since an appeal has been refused before.

I am sure that there is an instrument that judges can use to say that any time spent pending appeal does not count towards your sentence. I wish the judges had done that for his previous appeals so he would have to spend a little longer in prison.

I feel deeply sorry for the victim. First and foremost.

Secondly I am in some ways relieved that this is being debated so hard- a woman too drunk to consent, did not consent. It's quite simple. Hopefully the message might filter through.

Side note- if my son, brother or partner behaved in the way the rapist ched Evans did, the devastation I would experience would be colossal. Just cannot get my head round how they can publicly support him in the way they have. Can anyone shed any light on this for me?

Because she has been taught by her parents, that she has zero worth as a woman and partner? Because her parents like hanging around with semi famous footballers, see it as some kind of reflected glory? Because she likes being the chattel of a misogynist footballer? Because she doesn't care if he treats her and other women like shit?

I blame her parents.

I wonder about the girlfriends father supporting ched. It makes me wonder what kind of man he is and how he treats his wife as he clearly thinks cheds behaviour was ok.

Ditto cheds mother, how does/did her husband treat her? Is is a case of minimising lest she realise the truth about her own relationships? Plus a mother not wanting to think the worst of her son I guess?

"A slight hijack - Why do some posters on MN keep repeating the phrase "the rapist Ched Evans"? "

I don't know why pp have written it here, but if it's repeated often enough it will be top of the search results when people Google his name.

Maybe because some stupid people have difficulty grasping that this is indeed what Ched Evans is.

I agree MyEmpire! And the fact that someone has been found guilty of rape in a court of law says to me that they absolutely did do it. From what I've read it seems that it's difficult to get convictions in rape cases, so the knowing that Ched Evans was not only convicted, but had two appeals overturned suggests he absolutely is guilty.

I can understand why his family may find that hard to come to terms with, but find the actions of his girlfriend and her parents very strange.