Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To wish my parents hadn't moved abroad?

145 replies

CuthbertDibble · 12/10/2014 17:21

They seem to be missing out on so much, there have been a few more grandchildren born since they went and they don't have the same, lovely, relationship that they had/have with the ones that were around before they went.

The other issue is they don't have their own place over here so they end up staying for two to three weeks and they do it two or three times a year. We're good with house guests, we have lots, but more than a long weekend becomes a bit of an imposition.

I love my parents but they are now turning into annoying guests I'd rather not have to entertain.

Anybody else have issues like this?

OP posts:
YackityYakYak · 13/10/2014 11:11

Are you planning on having children? if you are, you won't have the spare rooms anymore either. What would happen then? Your parents really need to get to grips with that!

My PIL did their best to make sure we were never out of pocket by them staying - they would fund outings, they did grocery shopping, they would even buy things for the house like tray or a teapot, rather than expecting us to provide. So we spent LESS when they were here, and so it made up for the extra utilities we had.

I do the same when I stay with my parents in Australia, I do lots of grocery shopping and cook family meals so that they have less expense and less jobs while I'm there and barricade my door closed to stop my DM pilfering my clothes to wash them and then my never being able to find them when I want them

diddl · 13/10/2014 11:11

When they come to you, do you have time off/do they expect you to?

Tbh, if you are putting them up for a few weeks a year, I wouldn't stress too much about only going to them every other year or so.

Could ypur siblings really not put them up for a week each so that you just have a week also?

MaryWestmacott · 13/10/2014 13:53

You really need to just say something, or prime your DB/sis to say something to ease you into the conversation about sharing the time out, I'm sure it would be easier if they came over for 2 weeks, but say, did the first 3 nights with you, then went to stay with other relatives (any aunts/uncles?) for a couple of nights, came back for a couple, stayed with each of your siblings for a night or two (I'm sure even if they didn't have a spare room, they could sort something) or stayed in a hotel if that's not possible, came back to yours for the last 3-4 nights. Stress it's the sheer length of time that's so hard.

You said they would be upset if you said they should go elsewhere, but you are upset by the current arrangement and it's spoiling your time with them. If it was my children, I'd want to know I was upsetting them and have the opportunity to fix it before it becomes a problem.

Too many people do this "move abroad and just come back and stay with people" without thinking what a huge imposition that is.

My parents certainly found it hard to have the conversations with DB and I about it, but we did feel we had to say something before they went, they are still doing it, but are so far planning to book hotels when they come back, whether or not they actually will, is another matter...

Put the other way, if you have a family member with a holiday home, going once a year for a week or so would be perfectly fine, gone for 3-4 times a year for weeks on end free looks like you are taking the piss. It's no less of a piss take to do it back to the UK, and even more so if you are intrupting people who have to fit working fulltime/raising DCs around hosting your visit.

Say something. In fact, a year of staying in hotels might even get them to rethink if they want to live away from their family...

OTheHugeManatee · 13/10/2014 14:36

OP, you need

NotmyusualNN · 13/10/2014 17:31

OP – I am in exactly the same situation as you. I’ve spent the last 24 hours debating with myself whether to post here or not because some of the posters have really shaken me up to the point of tears. Ultimately however, I want to be able to show solidarity.

My parents moved abroad on a whim and didn’t want to think about all the boring details. They thought there would be no need to consider where to stay when coming back for visits because there would be no need to come back – they would be inundated by family and friends coming to them for free holidays. This didn’t happen. Most people want to spend their holidays actually being on holiday rather than one long prolonged visit with family.

They also didn’t consider for a second that there would be reasons, both good and bad, to come home – weddings, babies and funerals have all happened and each time they act as if nothing in the world could have prepared them for such unpredictable events.

I used to be so excited at the prospect of having them to stay but their visits are become more frequent and longer. They now come back for six weeks every summer because the heat is too much for them in their adopted country, plus at least two further stays of at least 3-weeks at other times in the year. It is too much, I can only see this increasing more and I am stressed almost to breaking point.

As another poster has said, they are trying to live a two-house lifestyle which is incompatible with their actual funds and lifestyle but it is my DH and I who seem to be paying the price while they just live the life they please. They have never once asked in advance about booking flights, they just tell us when they are coming and to hell if those dates are inconvenient for us. They don’t seem to grasp that we have lives which don’t stop when they come. Both DH and I have tried to deal with complicated work problems plus health, depression and fertility issues during their visits which we would much rather have dealt with in private.

I hate being this person. I don’t want to resent my parents or think a single nasty thought about them. I don’t like myself when they are here and I’ve tried so hard to change my own behaviour around them. I’ve even been to counselling to try to deal with my responses and to manage my own behaviours better. I’ve thought every possible bad thought about myself – most re-enforced by some of the attitudes towards the OP here; I’m a terrible daughter, an awful person. I don’t deserve to have parents, I need to man up and get on with it… The fact remains however that while I might need to manage the situation better, I also can’t take full responsibility and most decent people just wouldn’t put that level of stress of responsibility on another person, whether that person is an adult child or not.

Like the OP, my parents take over my house. They truly do see my home as “the family home” and just as much theirs to use while they are in the UK. They do “contribute” in that they go grocery shopping but we halve the bill – which is great apart from the fact that they must eat meat at every meal (we don’t) and will only buy the best brand names. They don’t eat pasta, rice, salads or soups whereas all of these are staple weekday meals for me to keep to a budget, so my half of the bill is invariably 3 x more than my usual weekly grocery bill and they end up preparing meals, for which I should be grateful, but it never anything I would actually chose to eat. Then there are the increased heating bills – they insist on having the heating cranked up and the electric fire on full blast, even in July because they are “used to a hot country”. I would estimate that each visit by them to us, costs me at least £500. And then they wonder why we live on a budget, rarely have nights out and try to get by with layers of jumpers as late into the winter as possible before we concede to the central heating.

Like the OP, we are the default accommodation providers because we have a spare room and no kids. Our spare room is a single bedroom in a tiny flat which doesn’t help matters as we really are living in each others’ pockets. We don’t have the space for four adults – there isn’t even room for more than three of us to sit in the living room at any one time. I know how petty and first world it sounds but going 6 weeks only sitting on the floor rather than being able to sink into your own sofa after a stressful day, really does add to the resentment. The irony is that my siblings live in much larger houses and although they have children also have three spare bedrooms between them, including, in DB’s case, one with an ensuite. They will not, however, entertain the notion of putting our parents up and the children factor is the most commonly cited reason. It just seems to be accepted that it is my lot in life to be the one who deals with all the parental care. I know they raised and nurtured me, which is why I feel so bad about this but does that really translate to them having carte-blanche to descend on my home and disrupt my life as and whenever they please?

We also rarely visit them and that is, like others here, due to finances and timings. DH and I both have careers with set holidays and for the last five years my parents have come here at precisely the time we have off for annual leave so we have gotten to the point that if we do have any other time in the year where we can take holidays – and afford to go away – we feel that we have already spent the majority of our annual leave at home with my parents so don’t want to use the remainder in their home with them. They, of course, cannot understand this.

I think even the best houseguests would outstay their welcome after more than 10 days. My house is not my own when they are here; I have a fairly demanding job and sometimes all I want is to come up and flop onto the sofa, watch some trashy tv and chill out but for weeks on end, I go from work to cleaning up after them to making conversation with my parents and their never-ending stream of visitors to my home. I can't just have nonsense or private conversations with DH. Last year, DH, who is one of the most patient and respectful people I know, came close to walking out. The disruption on our life and marriage cannot be underestimated and I hate that it is my parents of all people who are creating this problem. I want to look forward to their visits and make the most of time spent with them but all I see these days are lazy, demanding houseguests who are, quite frankly, taking the piss about the frequency and duration of their visits. I’m 35 years old and feel like I am still a child living with my parents – making the most of my free time between their visits, rather than being the home-owner who should have some degree of control over the situation.

I tried having the talk with them last year. Tried to explain that I feel like a stranger in my own home when they are here and as much as I love them and love seeing them, they need to reconsider the duration of their visits as it is just too much. This didn’t go well; we argued and then didn’t speak for 6 weeks. I felt awful at that time. Being NC was too hard; I do love my parents and I want a relationship with them but we also can’t keep going on the way we are. I would rather have them here more often than not see them at all – but I wish they would be adult enough to recognise the toll that it is taking and come to a compromise rather than the relationship being on their terms, which is how I currently feel. In the meantime, my attempts to talk this over has also alienated me from my siblings who blamed me for potentially ruining my parents relationship with their grandkids. You see, they want them to visit but won’t offer to put them up – and my parents would never ask as long as I am here to pick up that role.

People keep telling me to organise a hotel for them but they cannot afford that and I would never see them destitute or refuse to help. I do wish they have never moved abroad. I know that is selfish but there it is. Or, at the very least, I wish they had thought through the consequences of moving abroad, considered that they might need a base back in the UK or at least ensured they had money aside for accommodation when needed. I’ve heard them telling friends here who are considering such a move to not worry about the detail everything will work out and there will be someone to put them up when they come back. I don’t grudge them their perfect life abroad but I do grudge the expectation that they can continue they can continue the lifestyle without having discussed or recognised the impact on the lives of family back here. I would love to see my mum every week and have a proper relationship with her; pick up the phone whenever I want without worrying about time differences and overseas charges. I'd like to be able to visit them and care for them when needed without having to consider whether I can afford to see them or the impact on my job.

doziedoozie · 13/10/2014 17:45

NotmyusualNN
It sounds like you do not have the backbone to stand up to your parents and deal with the ensuing flack (understandable) so in you position I would downsize to a one bedroom flat which is totally unsuitable for guests eg one bedroom, kitchen diner/lounge and tell them you are short of money and have to downsize. Do not debate, discuss, plead. Just that this is how it is. And do it.

Or I would move somewhere that they don't want to be, again into a small flat.

You are soooo being taken advantage of - your DPs are bad but equally are your siblings imo.

diddl · 13/10/2014 18:00

NotmyusualNN

If your parents would cut you off because you can't/won't put them up as & when they wish then you'd be better off without them!

Of course they know that you won't so can keep on treating you like shit!

i don't think anyone is saying that visitors are easy for 3wks, but I think that a lot of people are able to put with parents because they want to see them, & the parents have made the effort to fly over.

Balanced against that of course is that a lot of people have reasonable parents who don't take over, don't expect to be waited on, pitch in, get them selves out & about & pay for some food!

CuthbertDibble · 13/10/2014 18:02

NotmyusualNN

Thank you for posting, it helps that others understand and I'm really sorry that you have to deal with the same sort of situation.

OP posts:
MaryWestmacott · 13/10/2014 18:04

Not, so sorry to hear about your situation. I would advise you tell your parents before they have another visit booked that them staying with you for weeks at a time is no longer an option, they have other dcs with spare space, you call now and say no before they book anything, say limit of 3 nights in a row- would your DH be prepared to be "the bad guy"? Say he's unhappy always having them to stay so long, or if the next planned visit is Christmas, get in first, say some relatives of your DH will be staying so they can't, your sure one of the others will put them up. Break the habit.

Or failing all that, invent damp in the spare room, just to warn you, next visit will have to be to siblings.

It'll be hard, but once you've stood up to them, you'll find it a lot easier. You might want to talk to siblings first and tell them what you are doing.

Downsizing does seem rather a drastic solution, but I'd do it if you really can't stand up to them.

If you do decide to stand up to them, do it now before they book anything.

bakingaddict · 13/10/2014 18:41

I do wonder if the people bleating on about lack of respect and nurturing just because a poster has openly said that long term guests are a bit of an imposition have ever been in this position.

If you decide to go and live abroad and retired parents are entitled to do this then they really need to consider and include the cost of coming home for visits. That means just staying for a few days with family members and then factoring in the cost of a hotel or rental for the rest of the duration. The dynamics of a household are changed when you have house guests for this length of time and it is tiring as you are always in host mode not matter how helpful or not your guests are

YellowTulips · 13/10/2014 19:03

Really shocked at some of the responses on this thread.

Finding someone's behaviour difficult doesn't directly equate to love and respect.

I have a number of friends whose parents have moved abroad - often with little thought or planning.

Nearly all of them now live a "duel location" life - the portion of which in the UK inevitably extends as budgets tighten putting huge pressure (emotional and financial) on their children.

I love my parents and PIL but that said I just couldn't host them for weeks on end without going insane.

The upshot is that unless this arrangement is planed in advance rather than assumed it's simply not appropriate to indulge in your expat dreams at the expense of the rest of your family.

Flame away - but I think the OP is far from U and some of the vitriol should be aimed at all the people who put their kids in this situation.

Final point it's bad enough when parents are well but when ill health strikes it's a nightmare- one that cost one friend her job and nearly her house on baling her parents out.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/10/2014 19:09

"unless this arrangement is planed in advance rather than assumed it's simply not appropriate to indulge in your expat dreams at the expense of the rest of your family"
Very well put Yellow.

mandy214 · 13/10/2014 19:16

Oh my god really quite astonished byresponse Yellow. And yes, being irritated by a parent's behaviour because, how dare they follow their own dreams at the tail end of their lives when they've no doubt worked hard to give you the upbringing and opportunities you have, is disrespectful.

mandy214 · 13/10/2014 19:20

Bloody hell. Some very selfish people here.

Purpleroxy · 13/10/2014 19:22

OP Yanbu.
YellowTulips is right.

doziedoozie · 13/10/2014 19:28

how dare they follow their own dreams at the tail end of their lives

Titter, titter, surely your 90s are the tail end of your life. (That is another nightmare awaiting the DCs of DPs who've moved abroad)

And most people spend 20 years bringing up their DCs. To then expect 30 years of free holidays at their homes, uninvited, is selfish.

OTheHugeManatee · 13/10/2014 19:31

If you want to follow your own dreams then you should be willing to pay for them. There's a boundary between guesting and sponging, and it applies to family too.

I wouldn't dream of imposing myself on another family member for more than a few days and being a parent doesn't mean you are entitled to do so either. So what if they raised the OP? It was their choice to have children and their responsibility to raise them.

I do think there is a duty to ensure aged parents are properly cared for when they can no longer care for themselves, whether you do that yourself or make sure someone else does. But that doesn't extend to enabling parents who are generally fit, healthy and solvent to live a two-country lifestyle they can only afford by imposing on other people.

YellowTulips · 13/10/2014 19:32

I'm not against people living out dreams that a) they can afford b) don't emotionally compromise the rest of their family.

I do think it's bloody selfish however old you are or what great a parent you have been to follow these expat whims and expect your kids to pick up the pieces when it doesn't pan out as you expected.

Retirement isn't a free pass to fuck up everyone else's life

mandy214 · 13/10/2014 19:34

Dozie. Yes, because there are millions of people who live well into their 90s - not Hmm. So on the basis that most people retire at 65, I think you're being a tad unrealistic to say people expect 30 years of free holidays!

mandy214 · 13/10/2014 19:35

I think you might have your own issues Yellow because putting your own parents up for a couple of weeks a couple of times a year is not exactly asking "your kids to pick up the pieces" or "fucking up everyone else's life".

MaryWestmacott · 13/10/2014 19:37

Mandy - following your dreams is absolutely fine, expecting other people to fund/enable those dreams without checking first if they want to, not fine.

As I said earlier, we are at the start of this, my parents are just at the stage of making their French holiday home their fulltime home, we have had to be really blunt about not putting them up for months at a time, mainly because we've seen other people who's parents have done this.

It's selfish the other way, to look at your adult children's homes as your own, or to just follow your dreams and expect other people to slot into your dreams, that other people should be inconvienced in order to make sure you get what you want.

NotMyUsualNN - really, talk to your DH, if you are scared about saying no yourself, would he be happy to be the 'bad guy' and be ok with you saying he doesn't want his PIL staying in a small flat for weeks at a time, so your parents will have to talk to your siblings about staying with them as he's said no more than 3 nights. Your siblings of course will be upset about you rocking the boat, they don't want you to stop the arrangement because even though it would be easier for them to have your parents, they don't want to have them, which should tell you everything you need to know about whether or not you are being unreasonable! Go on, what's the worse that can happen? They get upset and stop talking to you? That will also mean they don't visit... Wink

Bonsoir · 13/10/2014 19:39

Every extra adult (ie a person too old to be under your authority and told what to do) in a home is a huge burden beyond a few days, IMVHO. Especially if they are "on holiday" and not out at work/university/with their friends most of the time.

Bonsoir · 13/10/2014 19:42

I take DD to stay with my parents very regularly. We never stay more than a week and I always organise activities that get the two of us out of the house all week. And I shop, make meals and take my parents out to nice restaurants.

EEVEElution · 13/10/2014 19:42

I haven't read the whole thread but I have a similar situation with my mum who lives abroad with her husband, I've recently had a DD and she came to stay for 6 weeks after the birth (invited) and has been several times since. She's a very considerate house guest, helps with everything around the house and the cooking while she is here.

However she is slowly moving into our spare room as she leaves a little behind every time! She's always asked first but I do wonder at what point dd will need her own room and how I will put her up when that happens as currently we live in rented accommodation and can't afford to buy yet.

Plus she nags about everything particularly my diet and goes on and on and drives dh up the wall! Love her though :)

doziedoozie · 13/10/2014 19:47

Mandy - There are half a million in their nineties, and many people retire once they've done 30 years, and that is often before 65, ok scrounging holidays for 30 years is an exaggeration but 20 isn't - so still a blooming cheek.

Why is it usually seen as a problem when adult children return to living at home, why don't we all live in extended families - because it's difficult putting up with the foibles of other people long term.