to loathe Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories more than UKIP?

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They have let this country down so badly. And now we all have to reap what they've sown.

'I voted NO by the way, but I don't want to be ruled by UKIP/Tories.
The alternative for me was an out of control SNP cart and horse and to break up the UK which I didn't want either.'

UKIP will unite the country becaise it will bring in PR, direct democracy and local referenda. You will be able to get who you vote for in Scotland and UKIP will give you power in local referenda. They are about giving power to the people and taking it away from the bureaucracy

claig, you're hilarious

Of course we don't have an Australian or Anericans style immigration system here.

I assume those thinking that have never had to get a working visa for those countries.

My dh has and you have to prove that an Australian or an American cannot to your job before you get in.

Will UKIP give out free chocolate and wine too? You say "UKIP WILL" like they're definitely going to win the next general election - highly unlikely, thank god.

claig that's a nice idea but I don't believe UKIP any more than any of the others, sadly.

Until ANY party is unable to say one thing and do another when voted in
Until there are CONSEQUENCES

anyone but rich white men (and Farage is one of them) is stuffed.

I think there is a reason that there is a consensus across the main parties on remaining within Europe.

Leaving Europe will not help the UK. We would be reliant on them outside of the EU! Similarly leaving the UK wouldn't help Scotland. It's all about the vanity of the isolationists, keep that in mind however appealing their simplistic arguments may be.

Pushing for reform within wider groupings is the only positive way to go in the modern world. In the case of the EU that reform should include looking again at freedom of movement between widely differing economies with vastly different wage and benefit structures.

The current Labour Party has most to lose with UKIP, unless they are content to become a London party.

'Will UKIP give out free chocolate and wine too? You say "UKIP WILL" like they're definitely going to win the next general election - highly unlikely, thank god.'

No there will be no free chocolate or wine but there will be freedom to decide your government in a real democracy where every single person's vote will count.

UKIP can't change that overnight, but if you look 10 years ahead, UKIP will have achieved it and done it. That is why the established parties are in panic, that is why this is an earthquake. They know that their stranglehold on power and their ability to patronise and ignore the public's wishes will be over and it will happen withi 10 years.

Daisy no for economic reasons I think we are far better off in the EU.

However I do feel that we may have surrender too many of our national powers to Brussels.

It's funny as I remember the referendum as a child and my parents voted no as they trusted Neil kinnock. Quite funny now to think if that and now sad because my red hot labour voting parents are now UKIP voters.

That's why I can see how UKIP are gaining ground.

Politicians arnt listening and people know that they can't deliver real change as they are bound by EU laws that noone has yet voted for

The original alliance was for trade and not political union.

That's the big elephant really.

I hate UKIP btw.

I'd love everyone to vote Labour, then put massive pressure on them to return to their left-wing ideals. They're the "nice party" imo. Go on

'claig that's a nice idea but I don't believe UKIP any more than any of the others, sadly.

Until ANY party is unable to say one thing and do another when voted in
Until there are CONSEQUENCES'

Give them a chance. Wait and see. There will be consequences because there will be direct democracy, recall and local referenda. They won't be able to switch street lights off anymore if the local people are against it. That is why the established parties fear UKIP because it will give power to the people and take it away from the patronising politicians.

I suppose I am just very genuinely wondering what will happen if immigration continues at its current rate.

Thebody - thank you :)

'I'd love everyone to vote Labour, then put massive pressure on them to return to their left-wing ideals. They're the "nice party" imo. Go on'

UKIP will scrap the first past the post voting system and then new parties will be formed and a real socialist, real Labour party will be formed and people will vote for it and their votes will count because of PR and coalitions will be formed and your views and the views of every single citizen will be heard.

It will be the end of the Eton and Oxbridge chumocracy who ignore the people and it will be rule by, of and for the people.

UKIP is the catalysts for change, but if the people don't want UKIP they can vote for a party that is really socialist and that opposes it.

Labour won't stop UKIP, because UKIP is for the people and Labour aren't.

I've been a labour voter all my life. I will vote for them at the next election even though it will make no difference in my constituency. Not voting is not an option for me and this coming election is a game-changer in defining our nation.

I am dissatisfied with the Labour Party. I think it picked the wrong leader. He's not a vote winner but I do think he's a principled, intelligent man and I simply see no alternative to voting Labour to protect what we still have in the way of a welfare state and human rights legislation.

UKIP is seriously frightening. I have often wondered how German voters could ever have been so blind in the early 30s.........

The Conservatives are determined to undermine everything I believe in and are doing so because they want to, not because of the recession. They are now going to lurch sharply even more to the right to try to hold off UKIP.

The Lib Dems are untrustworthy and I loathe the idea of them having any avenue to power through another coalition with anyone though I recognise that individual Lib Dems hold the same beliefs as I do by and large. It's the possibility that the party would make a pact with the devil if it would give them an illusion of power that really alarms me about them.

I can completely understand how desperate German voters felt.

Our times aren't great but not remotely comparable to 1930s Germany; it must have been horrendous for "ordinary people."

It's very easy to call them blind retrospectively, but something did have to change there. It's tragic that the change was so destructive and ultimately I suppose psychopathic.

I suppose the more difficult question is - would they have done what they did if they had known where it would ultimately lead?

To be fair to the Lib Dems, they have been horse trading as the small partner in a coalition. Perhaps we just aren't used to seeing coalition in practice? They have tempered the excesses of the Conservatives.

Yes, the economy in Germany was wrecked and people were desperate.
It is similar in that people are making a protest vote but not necessarily knowing what the consequences of that might be.

A vote for the Lib Dems made in protest against Labour or Conservative could give a handful of Lib Dem MPs the chance to ally with a party you did not vote for.
A protest vote to UKIP could and probably would bring about at UKIP/Tory coalition and then God only knows what will happen except I believe we won't recognise our country in 5 years time.

Interesting daisy and no I don't for one minute think they would have but the rise of the racists and the de humanising of the Jewish people was very incidious.

People's concerns were ignored for too long do into this vaccine comes extremists.

People are so fed up they vote for any radical party who will deliver change.

It's bollocks for Ed or Dave to bang in about change as it was the equally daft Gordon saying Britush jobs for British people and then ignoring a votes concern in immigration policy.

If we could get real reform in Brussels so people felt Britush people's concerns were being met then I think UKIP could be stopped.

Until then we are in trouble.

I am banging on about immigration because that is what I hear around me all the time.

Can I stress these are not necessarily my views but what i think needs to he done to hair UKIP.

Also why does the UK need to spend £2 billion on legal aid? Both Germany and France spend less than £300 million and I'd hardly call them human rights abusers. I'm so sick of taxes being wasted defending terrorists et al and lining the pockets or unscrupulous moneygrabbers like Cherie Blair who is already rich enough thanks to her scumbag husband.

No one will protest vote lib dem now. They will be finished in may in my opinion.

can someone tell me ukips policy on disability?

camel
The french and german legal systems are inquisatory rather than adversarial that is why there is a different legal aid budget. You are comparing apples and pears.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisitorial_system

Safe labour seat of Haywood and Middleton just win by labour by 600 votes. UKIP were second.

Eds response. it was a bad night for the Tories

Ffs you just want to weep.

An important point about the Nazi's was that they didn't actually win by a large majority vote and needed to join forces with another party. Hitlers government was a coalition government. shudders at the thought of a tory/UKIP coalition

there I don't know and I shudder to think but brutally honestly it won't be important to people unless affected. Please see that's not my view. Just think how it is

I think the Lib Dems are indeed finished but that leaves UKIP as the protest vote party and that worries me very deeply.

You see, I don't think Scottish voters were necessarily all that well informed politically. The effect of social media is a newish phenomena which I think the mainstream parties are all at sea with as yet. All sorts of falsehoods were flying about and being re-tweeted with very little analysis during the referendum.

There is a very alarming lack of real understanding about politics and economics which is perhaps all very well when the turn out is low but if a high turn out is created because of slick slogans, vague promises and 'scaremongering' (and I use that word advisedly) then anything at all could happen.