to think no one should own land and ignore a sign saying private woods

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Ok o will probably get flamed here.

But there is a badly managed woods near me with am old broken sign that say private woods. Aibu to collect a few broken branches for the wood burner? I know it is stealing, but this woods is overgrown and I'm thinking how unethical it is for anyone to own land.

Land used to all be free, until someone carved it all up to hoard for themselves. If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like.

Dogs kill other animals. That's just nature. We don't control that. You are a human with rational thought who can choose not to kill.

Don't be silly. I assume that I would be welcome to come and pick your veg from your allotment then?

Within reason I don't suppose most landowners would object that strongly to you picking up the odd bit of dead wood - but you should check first. Not to mention that 'badly-maintained woodlands' are perfect for wildlife so they might prefer you left well alone.

This thread has brought out a few loonies:
Itsbetter said:
Ok it's an issue that it bit your child but that's not a reason for you to shoot an animal. Why do you have a gun..
I thought the poster who shot the dog made it clear that the dog in questions had killed several chickens, worried sheep to the point where two had to be killed, bitten a pony etc etc - over the course of straying EIGHT times. That was why they shot the dog: I think they showed admirable restraint in not shooting it earlier - and since it strayed repeatedly, a lot of the responsibility rested with the dog's owner.
As for
'Why do you have a gun?'
Plenty of people have shotguns; that does not make them mass-murderers or moral midgets. I should think as much lead gets spent shooting clays as shooting pigeons... If I had a gun, I would feel no need to justify owning it.

And just a pedantic point, someone said,
But anyway land hasn't been free and unclaimed since humans started to settle down instead of wandering around as hunter-gatherers, so it really doen't make much difference.
Even semi-nomadic groups have clear ideas about who has rights to what. Some groups pass rights to certain areas down through extended families/tribes... The land is held in common but other people are not allowed to do with it as they please. I could write you a short essay on this, but I won't. Just take it from me that a version of land ownership is as old as the hills.

i hope somebody comes into your garden tonight and steals anything you have in there.

Dogs kill other animals. That's just nature. We don't control that. You are a human with rational thought who can choose not to kill.

So what do you propose the landowner does in that situation itsbetter?

Just accept that the dog will run amok savaging the whole flock? And then what?

Are you taking your mask op?

Arsenic, I don't think you're going to get far with that one...
I suspect Itsbetter will suggest trapping the dog (so the useless owner who should never be allowed another dog can let it stray again).

Go on OP, fight the power

No probably not

OP start another thread in a month asking if it's ok to take some holly/ivy/foliage for your Scandinavian themed Xmas. I think you'll find you get a totally different response.

Greater good ain't it? 20 dead sheep or one dead dog. If I have a gun I can and will control that.

Anybody who has seen a dog worrying and attacking sheep will know trapping is not as simple as it seems

The person who lets a dog off the lead, in a field with stock in, and has no control, is the person who kills the dog not the person protecting their livelihood and animals with a gun

Perhaps the law should only apply to those without land? If you are lucky enough to have worked hard enough to get a few acres for yourself, then you should clearly expect anybody to come on and do whatever they want, apart from pay for the upkeep and management though no doubt.

Do you kill the sheep anyway yourself?
Give the dog to a shelter or report it.

Oh goodness me.

mis3, yes it IS trespassing even if there's a footpath running through it and even if that footpath is public.

A public footpath gives you the right to walk on the path. It doesn't give you the right to trample on private property.

There are several public footpaths around here. Many go through farmland. can legally use the paths to walk from one village to the next but I may not stride across the farmer's field or pick his beans and corn.

I still want to know what other people shooting badgers has to do with you trespassing on a third party's land?

Why do you have a gun?

OP start another thread in a month asking if it's ok to take some holly/ivy/foliage for your Scandinavian themed Xmas. I think you'll find you get a totally different response

Depends upon which foliage you mean, and from where you're taking it! Ivy is an invasive weed. I have plenty of it in my garden (and holly, too), but still wouldn't be happy about anyone just nipping in and snaffling it. I use it myself for ornamental décor. Friends and neighbours often ask if they can have some, and I'm happy for them to help themselves. The difference is, my garden is private land, and they ask. What is so difficult to understand about that? Same rules apply for any expanse of land that is not your own.

So because sheep are going to go into the food chain (presumably not pets, though not unheard of) they should not be protected from a frenzied dog?

So as we are all going to die, let murderers have at it?

Shall we nip round and take possession while the op is out? She won't mind you know

I'd advocate shooting the person who lets the dog worry the livestock, btw.

It's only by following these stupid rules so we allow the 1% to own most of the country. It's ridiculous. Land should be for everyone. If you've got a house you've got enough.

Why did I have a gun? To shoot fucking dogs with.

Hooby

Sheep are worth a lot of money. I never killed them myself but yes they'd be humanely slaughtered at some point. However if you have a load of sheep killed by a dog they're worth nothing, they might not have been ready for slaughter, they could well have been pregnant and then you lose the lamb as well.

This thread is getting more bonkers. Clearly there is a lot of ignorance out there.

I live in a rural area and respect the countryside code and understand that boundaries have to be respected.

Not quite the same. We will die naturally otherwise.. With the farmer and the dog the sheep gets murdered or murdered.
If you are murdering the animal anyway why should the dog not do it? At least a dog isn't choosing to murder like you are. The sheep is still being killed.