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To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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siiiiiiiiigh · 21/09/2014 14:09

Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

OP posts:
flippinada · 21/09/2014 20:36

Bad grammar, but I'm sure you know what I mean :).

ChippingInLatteLover · 21/09/2014 20:36

I haven't had the TV or radio on today, I needed a break from all the noise and shouting. I have just read the Telegraph link... he really is losing it isn't he!

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/09/2014 20:43

If the Telegraph is reporting accurately he isn't exactly being gracious in defeat. He is still the First Minister, he needs to work on pulling the damn country together.

ChelsyHandy · 21/09/2014 20:47

Actually, I think what Salmond is doing is refusing to be associated with the outcome of the Referendum and to accept the verdict of the vote.

I also think he's a bit mad.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/09/2014 20:47

There really is something not quite right there, out of balance, something that shouldn't be present in a leader who is going to do good for a country

So glad I'm not the only one this occurred to; quite frankly I wonder about his mental health Hmm

flippinada · 21/09/2014 20:48

It is accurate. I know the Telegraph comes from a right wing perspective so you might expect there to be some confirmation bias but the same story has been on BBC News, The Guardian/Observer and the Independent/Independent on Sunday.

SantanaLopez · 21/09/2014 20:52

Neither Sturgeon nor Salmond attended the service? Shock That is a disgrace Angry

babyboomersrock · 21/09/2014 20:55

I commented to dh that I wondered why he and Sturgeon did not attend the reconciliation service

Perhaps because they don't believe in a god? Perhaps because they don't believe that a few pious words, a handshake and a song from the same hymn sheet actually means anything?

The last thing we need is more churchiness, more feigned virtue, more unco' guid in this country. If the churches would get their parishioners out there - as a few do - and use their beliefs to change society, that would be brilliant.

And more generally - I am old. I am not insulted by suggestions that the over-60s lost the Yes vote for Scotland. They did. We're not a bunch of poor old souls needing protection from the harsh realities of life - and the fact that we might have lived through harder times is bloody meaningless. It doesn't negate our obligation to vote responsibly now.

Anyone who has abusive "friends" on their FB page needs to reconsider the definition of the word.

And finally...of course people are angry. Of course they are disappointed. When I think of the anger there was on here a week ago from No voters at the prospect of "having to leave/move" in the event of a Yes vote...and now, suddenly, we've all to be nice and accepting of each others' choices. Those No voters who think they'd have behaved in a nice low-key, uncomplaining way are deluding themselves - it's easy to say that now.

It makes me bloody angry that some people cannot move, through poverty, unemployment, disability or whatever. Moving south because your job happens to be relocated is not a tragedy. Having no job, no car, no food, no chance of education, no decent health care system - that's a tragedy.

So - of course I accept the result. I am no nationalist. I am not anti-English. I don't see oil as belonging to Scotland alone - I'm a bit green and think we shouldn't be relying on it anyway. I hate Trident and want it out. I didn't see Alex Salmond as the messiah - nor was he the antichrist. But all this "oh, it's dreadful - whole families have fallen out over it" stuff is just pathetic. It's high time politics was taken seriously - we have few other ways of changing things.

squoosh · 21/09/2014 20:59

Yes, it is high time politics was taken seriously. Therefore Salmond should stop his sulking and get on with things.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 21/09/2014 20:59

Baby Boomer you really do rock,

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 21/09/2014 21:01

So, are we moving on?

Behoove · 21/09/2014 21:01

Perhaps because they don't believe in a god? Perhaps because they don't believe that a few pious words, a handshake and a song from the same hymn sheet actually means anything

It does mean something if their not attending can be construed as being deliberately divisive to the country they currently lead.

I'm not a Christian, but have attended services in the past to support friends and family. It's not a lot to ask.

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/09/2014 21:02

Having no job, no car, no food, no chance of education, no decent health care system - that's a tragedy.

Yes, it is a tragedy. But we have a decent education system. We have a decent health system. We have a welfare system (albeit one damaged by the Tories).

cedricsneer · 21/09/2014 21:03

Agree behoove. This country is at the most unstable I have ever seen it and they are shit stirring. Nothing to do with religion.

squoosh · 21/09/2014 21:06

I have no problem with a Yes voter still being pissed off and annoyed and expressing as much. However I have no tolerance for the First Minister acting this way.

Behoove · 21/09/2014 21:06

And more generally - I am old. I am not insulted by suggestions that the over-60s lost the Yes vote for Scotland. They did. We're not a bunch of poor old souls needing protection from the harsh realities of life - and the fact that we might have lived through harder times is bloody meaningless. It doesn't negate our obligation to vote responsibly now

The suggestion I have seen is not what you say above, it's that they are "selfish" have "betrayed" their country and even "coffin dodgers" who should have voted Yes because that's what younger people wanted.
I prefer to think they did vote responsibly, and that was No.

The whole country needs to move on, it's over.

flippinada · 21/09/2014 21:07

The issue isn't whether they believe in God or not, is it though? I'm an aviowed atheist myself and couldn't care less. Surely it's about what their attendance (or non attendance in this case) symbolises.

Besides, John Swinney managed to make it along.

SantanaLopez · 21/09/2014 21:09

Tbh, I'd expect a political leader to put their own feelings to one side and attend national events.

Secondly, it is really fucking offensive to say that voting no was not a responsible vote.

Thirdly, yeah, I was utterly irate at the thought of having to move to London. But no one has lost their jobs over a yes vote.

Having no job, no car, no food, no chance of education, no decent health care system

Does this equal staying in the union? No, and you damn well know it.

You do not accept this result at all, that's perfectly clear. It's time you took your own advice and looked at other ways of changing things.

flippinada · 21/09/2014 21:15

I have no problem with a Yes voter still being pissed off and annoyed and expressing as much. However I have no tolerance for the First Minister acting this way

Yes Squoosh this, exactly.

popcornpaws · 21/09/2014 21:31

Babyboomersrock,

Oh that went down well eh?
Well said, I agree with you but this is pretty much the no voters forum i'd say, so no doubt there will be more posts telling you that you are wrong to have your own opinions!

PhaedraIsMyName · 21/09/2014 21:33

Interesting article in Scotland on Sunday by the Edinburgh Central SNP MSP.

www.scotsman.com/news/marco-biagi-snp-must-now-lead-as-a-government-1-3548061

"A pledge of another referendum in the next SNP manifesto is now inconceivable. For the first time since 1979 no ­direct route map to independence will be laid before voters, but nor will it be laid before members and activists."

PhaedraIsMyName · 21/09/2014 21:37

It doesn't negate our obligation to vote responsibly now

Meaning what? Only voting yes was voting responsibly? What was irresponsible was not bothering to vote at all.

That's ridiculous coming from a "45" Facebook page but from the First Minister is not acceptable.

Behoove · 21/09/2014 21:40

popcorn

As per the thread title, all are welcome in this thread, not everyone will agree, which is actually better than being on a thread where no other opinion is welcome.

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/09/2014 21:47

Popcorn, everyone is welcome. Doesn't mean we have to agree, and doesn't mean that if we disagree it's because the person we disagree with was a yes voter

Criseyde · 21/09/2014 21:47

Great post, babyboomersrock.

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