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to be so desperate for some help that I just want to walk down to the local A&E

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Margaritte · 19/09/2014 18:13

I have namechanged for this, as am pretty regular (not for a few months though)

I am suffering from pnd for the 2nd time in my life. I self helped the first time, having had the option of AD's or nothing. DH & I managed, although he did have some time of work as I got quite unwell. Always have underlying anxiety, though well managed.
Fast forward a few years, and a 3rd child. Now I start to recognise those feelings. Left it a few months, then went to the DR on Monday (different area) and have an appointment to see someone for help on Monday next week.
Thing is, I cant cope. My DH is at work & will be all day tomorrow (not home until after midnight) I want to get up and walk away.
He has tidied, washed up, organised a throw together dinner, got the dc in the pjs all before leaving for the night (couple of hours ago) I just cant do it anymore though.
The other night, I started an arguement with him at 2am (when he got in from work) and walked out as I just wanted to walk & walk.
Its truely awful as I get glimpses where Im ok (kind of) and its terrifying me as I can see it is getting worse, yet am unable to stop it. Im having unwelcome thoughts and am paranoid my dh is going to stop loving me.
I dont know what to do, and I cant stand it Sad

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ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged · 21/09/2014 21:54

You'll get help posting anywhere (even AIBU as you've proved!) but I'm sure there's a designated mental health section where there might be people with more experience than those of us who usually hang out in AIBU.

Nest of vipers? Pah! Smile

Littlefish · 21/09/2014 21:59

There is a mental health section in the "Health" area.

If you click on "Topics", then "Health", then "Mental Health" and start a thread there, you will get lots of support.

You've done very well to get through the weekend. I hope that your appointment tomorrow goes well, and helps you get the support that you need.

Dragonfly71 · 21/09/2014 23:03

The idea of a support thread for PND is a brilliant idea. I thought someone more familiar with MN would know how to go about it then and littlefish posted!

Margaritte · 25/09/2014 01:53

Hello, I juzt wanted to post an update for e eryone that posted. You were all lovely and v.kind. I had my appointment on Monday & I think I am going to see him every Monday for a while, he will assesif I need more help.
Im still having trouble sleeping & am not doing much more then getting dressed, meeting dc needs (food, baths, attention) and the occasional washing up. DH didnt work Monday, Tuesday or tonight in the evenings ( all day instead) Back to normal tomorrow and feel slightly overwhelmed by that as well as the upcoming weekend.
I am going to pop over to mentalhealth at some poi t just to continue the suppport.
In the mean time, any practical tips for day to day stuff would be v.helpful, if anyone has any?

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ReputableBiscuit · 25/09/2014 05:38

Sorry if i missed it but are you taking Anti-depressants, OP? Fluoxetine (Prozac) really helped my PND.

whattodoforthebest2 · 25/09/2014 07:36

Hi Margaritte, I've read your post and I'm glad you have managed to get some support in place now. As you have already said, baby steps will help get you through this.

In terms of practical things you might do - can your eldest DC help you in the evenings? I'm thinking perhaps he/she could run the bath for the little ones while you're getting their tea, maybe read DC2 a bedtime story while you're dealing with the baby? Then you both have a quick tidy and he/she helps you with the washing up after you've both had your dinner? Would that work? Also can you do a shop for SW friendly quick and easy meals that you can keep in the freezer for the days when you don't have the energy to cook properly? (Perhaps do this when DH can stay at home with the DC?)

Also, try and get out in the fresh air every day if you can - even a little exercise can make a huge difference to your mental well-being, it'll be good to get the baby out too. Maybe plan a circular walk in the park that you can extend a bit when you're feeling a bit more energetic? Or a walk to the library?

Margaritte · 25/09/2014 07:49

I'm not taking anything. Want to try and avoid that if I can. Though, how long them for?

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Margaritte · 25/09/2014 07:56

whattodoforthebettake2. I crossed post with you. Is it ok for DS to be doing that much? I never seem to know when it comes to him,,!
Will jave a look for easy Slimming World meals. I am slightlyoverweight too, need to lose a couple of stone. Thag would help my energy levels may e?

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ReputableBiscuit · 25/09/2014 07:56

How long did I take them for? Six months each time. Absolutely no downside in my case. Really helped.

whattodoforthebest2 · 25/09/2014 09:16

I think if your DS is of secondary age, he can certainly be helping you and he may be concerned already if he sees you struggling and might be very pleased to be asked to help out - nothing too demanding, but he can certainly wash some dishes, turn a bath on for the little ones and read a story - all very easy things to do that he might like to take some responsibility for. Just having a (small) extra pair of hands could make a big difference to you managing everyday jobs.

I think some exercise could make a huge difference to your overall view of how you're coping. How about your local swimming pool - do they have a creche? Could you pop the baby in there for an hour while you have a quick swim and a coffee once a week?

noclevername · 25/09/2014 21:53

Sending a hug - and wishing you all the very best.

When I was depressed (before children) what helped me get through the day:

  • making sure I forced myself to eat something nourishing (even though no appetite). Maybe not the best time to go on a diet, as your body needs nourishing to aid recovery.

  • taking a walk

  • hot baths

  • doing something useful, even if not enjoyable. e.g. household stuff. As you say, you are dedicated to meeting your children's needs so are already doing lots of worthwhile tasks.

  • speaking with anonymous helpline

Over the years I've been more open to telling friends whats going on when unwell, rather than trying to hide it by not meeting up for weeks. Friends do want to help - so be open to help offered - no shame in being honest.

Antidepressants helped hugely. The side effects are minimal compared to the 'side-effects' of depression I think. Benefits felt within a couple of weeks, well in 6 weeks from one episode of bad depression (off work etc) that I remember.

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Littlefish · 25/09/2014 22:34

Can you explain why you're trying to avoid anti depressants? It might help to talk it through with others on here who have had similar experiences and made the same, or different decisions about ADs.

UsuallyHateNameChangers · 26/09/2014 02:45

OP, I know everyone is different but I have had wonderful results from ADs. I had PND twice (4 and 2 years ago) and can relate to everything you have said in terms of how you are feeling. I also suffer from anxiety.
I think you owe it to yourself to at least try them? The potential benefits can change your life and by no means would you need to be on them forever. I was on them 6 months and 18 months.
I also had great results from cognitive behaviours therapy. Maybe you could look into this of you are interested.
In terms of practical advice, what got me through each day was breaking the day up into short chunks in my head. So, blocks of 2 hours. I would tell myself what I'd do in those 2 hours (watch an episode of a series I liked, for example, brush my teeth, wash some cups- all small stuff). Then the next 2 hours would arrive and I'd come up with anther plan, wash face, bath baby etc. I would advise you to try to get out each day and just walk with the buggy. Walk and walk and walk. It's great for the mind, week make you feel like you've achieved something and will help massively with weight loss and toning up etc.
Please keep in mind you WILL come through this, you WILL enjoy life again one day, you are ill and just need a bit of help to get over this hump in the road.
Xx

NoodleOodle · 26/09/2014 11:46

Chipping in with another easy dinner- lasagne, kept in fridge or freezer, cooked in oven or microwave, served with bag of salad or jacket potatoes popped in the oven at same time as lasagne.

Second option- soup and bread.

When the housework gets on top of me, I tackle it three minutes at a time. If I sit and distract myself with tv on, every advert break I get up and give a few plates a wash for example. When a whole kitchen of washing up seems overwhelming, three minutes can seem more manageable, and does get it done.

Keep posting if it's helping x

Margaritte · 26/09/2014 18:43

Im going to try the suggestions of breaking time into chunks, I think that will help. Thank you for the dinner ideas too. Am stressedwhat to the dc tonight, they have dinner at 7pm and I haven't started yet.

The thought of taking ADs just scare me. I don't want to become reliant on them.

I am getting quite worried though, as I think Im seeing and feeling things that arent there. The last 3 days I have been seeing a cranefly, out the corn er of my eye, then looking and its not there. Its never clear, more of a black blur. Ive also felt it fly on my face twice, and something tickling my arm. As its happening I think its real. More it goes on though The more I know its not. I was searching for it after, have stopped now though as I know I wont find it. Is that normal for pnd? I never had that last time.

Also, last night I woke up, must of been around 5am as I didnt sleep until 3am. I went into the kitchen, cut up some cooked chicken slices & put them into a pint glass. Then poured some high juice in, added water & stirred it with the handle of a wooden spoon. Confused Not sure what happened afterwards (I truly hope I didnt drink any) Woke up in bed this morning, went toclear the table for breakfast, and there was a glass of juice with loads of chicken floating in it. Was confused for a second, then I remembered doing it.
was joked about this morning, however its frightening me as I did it without thinking it odd, or even thinking about it at all really. Kind of like when you make a cup of coffee, IYSWIM? The thing that is scaring me, funny as chicken juice might be, is that I thought it was ok as I was doing it.Maybe Im reading to much into it, just Im worried that it mah happen again, and not be so amusing next time? Like acting on the random, unwanted thoughts I keep getting. I dont feel like I will, however I also never feel like making blackcurrant chicken drinks either.

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Margaritte · 26/09/2014 18:47

I hope that made sense, as much as it could. Today tnough, I have also been feeling like Im in a fog. Just looking for anyone who knows of this (random acts & seeing/feeling things )
It does sound worse then what it actually feels though, IYSWIM?

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Margaritte · 26/09/2014 20:15

Have I ruined my own thread? Maybe I should of posted that on a new thread over in mental health. Im sorry if that was a bit odd to put up, have read it back and can see that it is. Sad Is there any way I could get that part deleted? I am finding the support on here helpful &dont want to put people off replying.

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landrover · 26/09/2014 20:26

Have no dealings with PND but just wanted you to know that we are thinking of you xxxx I really do think that you should consider Ads, I have heard wonderful things about them!
In the meantime, is there any chance of you staying with somebody that can be with you full-time? Mum or mum in law?

McFarts · 26/09/2014 21:15

I dont think you have put people off posting Margaritte i also dont think given your circumstances that what you did was all that odd, that is lack of sleep! and its a bitch! you can however report your own post and ask MNHQ to remove your post.

Hairtodaygonetomorrow · 26/09/2014 21:29

Oh sweetheart, I do feel for you. I think the things you are thinking about/seeing are part of the anxiety, just mention them to the person you are seeing on Monday. Be really honest, they can't help if you don't.

The middle of the night thing with the chicken drink is a bit less odd in that it sounds like your sleep is really disturbed and so you may have been half asleep when you have done it.

If you find other 'odd' things appearing or the lines between reality blurring, to be honest, I would go to A and E or call any emergency line/team that the Monday person has given you. You could be heading into a crisis and if so, there are people there to help you and you will not be alone.

The thing is, sleep deprivation can make you feel truly terrible within days. I have never felt so close to losing it as when I couldn't sleep in my second pregnancy.

Do ask for help if this gets worse this weekend, though, don't wait til Mon if you feel yourself going downhill, tell your husband honestly and make a plan and act on it. Hugs to you.

Flappingandflying · 26/09/2014 21:36

I can understand why this would discombobulate you. Honestly, i would go on AD. I did for six months years ago. Never had them since. You wouldn't take away a crutch from someone with a broken leg and that's all they are. They don't make it all sparkly and better but they do settle things so you can feel straight. I see things out of the corner of my ehe when I am very tired. Remeber depression isn't just psychological, there are rafts of physical symptoms as well borne from this weird chemical, hormonal soup whizzing around you. Good luck.

UsuallyHateNameChangers · 27/09/2014 04:35

OP, you haven't ruined your own thread! You are sleep deprived and depressed, this shit can do funny things to a person, to put it mildly!

Right. If you are adamant you won't take ADs then you are going to have to make 2 promises to yourself. One is to eat properly and the other is to sit down with dp and come up with a sleep schedule. So looking at his rota highlight the places where he can mind dc and you can go to bed. Even if this is at some random time of day where you cant imagine you'll be able to sleep. I think you did he works shifts, I'm not sure what kind of job he does but even if its a very demanding one he will need to accept that he too is going to have to live on alot less sleep for the foreseeable future. (apologies if you've already said this is happening and I've forgotten)

Food wise, you must nourish yourself. I don't mean organic 3 course meals. You must eat breakfast, lunch and dinner and you must have cups of tea/water/squash throughout the day. Go shopping the next time you feel able, buy snack food, food you love, posh ready meals, ready sliced cheese, grazing food. Make eating something one of your ' aims' in each block of time. I relied on a glucose supplement with my pnd when my appetite disappeared, easy to prepare, just dissolve in cup of water and drink. At least you'll be getting stronger energy. Also if you can stomach those drinks called 'nurishment' get those, they are great for giving you what you need nutrition wise if you can't face eating properly.

Things are easier to deal with if your body is physically ok and sleep and food are paramount.

One other thing I find particularly powerful. Before I go to sleep I list out in my head the things in have achieved that day. And i mean it can be anything like ' washed up' 'ate breakfast'. Tell yourself why you feel it was an achievement, why are you happy you did that. This will focus you on the positives and make you feel empowered. Don't dwell on what you've not achieved, those things don't matter, they can go on the list for another day. I was given this technique at the behavioural therapy and thought what a load of twaddle but I make myself do it and it's made me realise that even in the midst of all the depression and unwanted thoughts I do achieve something, no matter how small. I then feel good about myself and that in turn has its own power.

Please please go to the gp and say you want to discuss ADs. They will have seen so many people who are worried about addiction and will lots of good advice for you, which you can ignore but atlesst you've made an informed decision.

I will say it again. You Will get better. One day at a time. There is enjoyment in life. The fact you are on here talking about it tells me you are going to get through this.

Keep posting (and don't drink the chicken drink Smile ) xxxx

landrover · 27/09/2014 16:05

Hoping OP is ok xxx

Margaritte · 15/10/2014 21:40

Hello again, I'm very sorry I haven't been on here for the last couple of weeks. I have been re reading this, just haven't logged in to post ( really not felt up to it)
Just wanted to update every one. First though, massive thank you to you all, really truly from the bottom of my heart. I am now getting the help that I need once a week on the Monday. I have also spoken with HomeStart & my husband understands as best as he can. This is only the case because of all the encouragement on here, nothing else.
I didn't know what to do, and I'm so relieved I posted on here as I cant imagine where I would be if I hadn't.
I'm still working on the house (bought flylady book of Amazon & am just washing up/ getting dressed/ showering etc) I still struggling with the cooking, though am going to jot down ideas from this thread into a notebook.
Is a long way off what I was still, and not quite sure how to start getting out etc yet. Still exhausted & finding things a struggle sometimes. However I am in an ok place now, where as I wasn't.
Cannot thank you enough Mumsnet.

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sarine1 · 15/10/2014 22:00

Glad that you posted and that things are improving. Small steps and all that. Sending you all warm wishes and thank you for being courageous enough to share this with us all.