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To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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SantanaLopez · 19/09/2014 06:20

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 19/09/2014 13:56

Your work colleagues sound horrible Livingzuid, what's so mean.

WildThrong · 19/09/2014 13:58

I'm not here to rub it in but I am delighted and have no problem saying so. I am so excited for the future for my baby and my husband. If the result had been reversed I doubt being considerate of the other side's feelings would have happened

True that. Sorry you got left out for lunch though, that's not nice.

StatisticallyChallenged · 19/09/2014 13:59

That's so mean even

Roseformeplease · 19/09/2014 14:02

Interesting at work. A colleague and I suspect there would have been huge, noisy shouting and screaming if Yes had one. We just feel a sort of quiet relief as if a weight has been lifted. But, we are behaving beautifull, although I keep seeing the odd huddle.

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 14:17

I thought it was childish too but hey ho. The two other voters I suspect are no are drifting back in and didn't join the lunch crowd. To be honest they are a group of women at work who do everything together and I find a bit narrow minded/naive/claustrophobic although normally nice so it doesn't matter I guess. It is just normally the whole office gets asked and now because of this referendum you can't even have lunch?

latte you can bet on it can't you! But hey its a referendum we are allowed to disagree. But I don't see why I have to bend over backwards because people were disappointed.

I'm having to listen to a lot of crap now from behind me and it is getting to me so I hid in a meeting room.

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 19/09/2014 14:24

I have a dear friend in Scotland, we met at university (the only three years she spent living outside of Scotland), she voted 'No', as did her husband, her parents and most of her family.

I spoke to her earlier, and told her I'd seen lots of comments (on various news sites) from 'Yes' voters, who say that 'No' voters voted as such out of fear.

Her response was to say, "I'm getting sick and tired of people saying that, did it never occur to people saying such things, that some of us simply wanted to stay as part of the UK? I only speak for my family and I, but we all voted 'No' as we like being part of the UK, we truly believe we are better and stronger together." She then went on to say, there surely must be other 'No' voters who felt the same.

I can understand the disappointment of 'Yes' voters, but I agree with my friend, they can't assume everyone who voted 'No' did so out of fear.

Anyway, I know my friend would echo the need for all Scots to join in and work together now, because the future for Scotland (and the rest of the UK) has changed even with a 'No' vote.

frankie80 · 19/09/2014 14:24

livingzuid, you could make a complaint about the behaviour?

Tinkerball · 19/09/2014 14:27

So in the spirit of all this peace and love I'm wondering why no-one has mentioned Heysoulsisters post discussing extra powers for England because Scotland have been promised them "Scotland won't like that if we all end up the same"...wtf, is that helpful. It's bad enough reading all the negative stuff about Scotland on other sites, and regardless if people think it's tripe or not there is a lot of it "out there"....and now this. So as well as sad and fearful ( I have my fears for the future which are just as valid as everyone else's even though they voted no and I voted yes) now this, making an entire matin sound like an ungrateful spiteful relation. Nice.

Fontella · 19/09/2014 14:28

I caught a bit of Simon Schama on radio 4 (I think it was) this morning. I don't remember the exact wording but he said that throughout history, at moments of great turmoil, the UK has always managed to make great reforms and move forward.

I think this may, perhaps, be one of those times. Let's hope so.

Tinkerball · 19/09/2014 14:28

Nation not matin!

Clarabum · 19/09/2014 14:30

About being left out at lunch? Seriously?

I'm glad peoples fears have been eased by the result, for others, this is their fears being realised.

It's would have been a horrid situation whatever side you ended up on though to be honest and I doubt this could have been avoided.

Roonerspism · 19/09/2014 14:34

I have listened to Radio Scotland all morning which has mainly been lots of interviews with unhappy yes voters saying we were scared.

I can't emphasise how much my vote was about remaining in the UK - proudly. I detest nationalism. The fact the economic argument was a pile of poo just made it easier.

Whilst I do feel genuine sympathy for the yes voters, I really wish there was an understanding about the no reasons for being no.

It is a dreich, still day in Edinburgh. Suitably solemn. I am quiet but unbelievably relieved. What a close call.

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 14:36

tinkerball I think it brings out the worst in people I really do.

But I understand we have to be civil as we do have to live and work with each other. There has been some terrible language going around. I want to share how happy I am that we get to work together and stay together. That sounds like Pollyanna but I hope you get my meaning!

I too voted because I like the union. I resented my country being torn apart. Nothing to do with politics really.

frankie I am going to mention it to my boss. Not the lunch thing but the comments I can hear. And the company aren't even anything to do with us. He has been mouthing off for some time about the evils of Westminster.

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 14:38

clarabum not sure I get your meaning?

frankie80 · 19/09/2014 14:40

clarabum, my workplace takes exclusion from social events seriously. They consider it bullying, victimisation and everyone should be treated equally.

AMumInScotland · 19/09/2014 14:44

cedricsneer I'd like to assure you that, as a yes voter, I don't think any less of those who have sincerely and thoughtfully decided to vote No.

I do think some No voters have been swayed by fear, for which I feel sympathy. I had a postal vote so voted a fortnight back, before the worst of the 'fear-inducing' splurge by the No campaign started to come out. If I'd been voting in person on the actual day, I might have been swayed by it myself. I like to think not, but worry about the financial future is faior enough, and not necessarily selfish as some have suggested - I reckon I'd be ok personally in any but the worst economic situation!

But if people voted no because they genuinely prefer to stay in the UK, that's a perfectly valid choice for anyone to make.

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 14:46

frankie that is very progressive thinking. I am impressed!

To be honest the thought of listening to why yes didn't win is not appealing anyway. But it was quite deliberate which is what pissed me off.

But I don't think I'd go out as a no voter and devote my whole lunch to discussing how no won. If the vote had gone the other way I would have not gone into work.

Annunziata · 19/09/2014 14:46

The yes voters are really showing themselves up today.

Moaning and grumping that people were scared.
Well, yes I was scared, because your campaign had no plans for anything.

Give it a rest, admit you lost and let's all move on.

AMumInScotland · 19/09/2014 14:48

livingzuid It sounds like there is an ongoing situation with these colleagues, which is fair game to talk to the manager about.

But, just on this one occasion, maybe wanting to go out and moan about the result over lunch was a valid reason for not inviting everyone? It would be a different dynamic being in a mixed group.
Same thing about conversation about it today (and today only) - it's a big thing.

PrettyPictures92 · 19/09/2014 14:48

Annun not all yes voters are showing themselves up, not even the majority. Most of us have said we're upset/hurt etc but that we will move on. It's not the end of the world.

Tinkerball · 19/09/2014 14:49

Living yes I do get what you mean Smile

It's hurtful reading stuff like that - for me it was never about England and wanting stuff England doesn't etcetera .... I still believe we could have been a successful independent country and I'm incredibly sad and frustrated it didn't happen and yes I do think a lot of people voted No because of fear of the unknown, leaving us with fear of the Tories eh! But that doesn't mean I think everyone who voted No did it because of this of course.

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 14:50

Yes I would agree normally and probably not care. It is the conversation I have been subjected to listening to all day that bothers me. The then deliberate exclusion pissed me off.

Hence hiding in a meeting room on mn!

indyandlara · 19/09/2014 14:51

So they didn't all go out and leave only you livingzuid as you say a few others drifted in and hadn't been at lunch either! It's a very different scenario where a group of friends want to go out to lunch together to a whole workplace ignoring/isolating 1 person. Maybe yo they did want to go out and discuss their feelings without having to listen it the other side. Allowed I think?

Tinkerball · 19/09/2014 14:51

Annun that's not really a very helpful post. I doubt you would be very happy if Yes had own and someone said this to you the other way round.

indyandlara · 19/09/2014 14:52

Jeeso how many typos?