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To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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SantanaLopez · 19/09/2014 06:20

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

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Clarabum · 19/09/2014 10:36

Sorry that's happened to you cherry. Thanks guys. I feel like i just need a wee greet.

unitarian · 19/09/2014 10:52

Fontella has said what I feel.

I live in England and the constituency I live in will never return the MP I want but I still vote every time and sometimes the government I want is returned. I have never felt that my vote is wasted.
It's a vote. It's precious.

If only people would stop saying that the Westminster government doesn't represent them. It might do if we all voted.
Being disengaged shouldn't be an option for any of us wherever we live.

If we all got as fired up as the Scots just did then we really could bring about change and hold politicians properly accountable.

I don't want an English parliament. I want a UK parliament representing every part of the kingdom.

I want more cohesion, not fragmentation.

whattheseithakasmean · 19/09/2014 10:59

No goating, no blaming. I am very relieved, but also know that I have close friends and family that will be disappointed. I am hugely proud that we have got through this campaign without a cross word between us.

On a positive note, getting so many 16- 18 year olds on the electoral roll and voting is a fantastic result for everyone. I hope our young people have established a habit of voting and will continue to do so. That would be a great legacy from this referendum.

OnlyLovers · 19/09/2014 11:02

Thank God we live in a country where questions like this are answered at the ballot box and not by bullet or bomb.

That's the wisest comment on this thread. Thank God indeed.

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 11:12

Thank God we live in a country where questions like this are answered at the ballot box and not by bullet or bomb.

Exactly

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 19/09/2014 11:13

I could barely look my son in the eye this morning. I fear for his future

hormonalandneedingcheese · 19/09/2014 11:13

This was never going to end well- no matter what the result there would be a bunch of people who lose out either way and a lot of sour feelings all around, if not now then later.

DancingBabyGroot · 19/09/2014 11:15

I know today is a really hard day for all involved in the YES campaign. I know most of you will be hurting after the passion, energy and massive effort you all put in.
But I do object to be branded a coward because I voted NO.
This was a hard decision, I was Yes and No that many times I even thought about not voting at all.
I did what I thought was right for me and my family. I could be wrong and have been in the past. But I did what all you guy in the YES camp did. I put my cross in the box that was right for me, I wasn't intimadated or scared, that doesn't work with me, our views are just a wee bit different.

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 11:17

But I do object to be branded a coward because I voted NO.

Me too. I did not give into 'fear' or whatever is being banded about. I had a vote and I chose what to do with it, just as yes voters did.

OnlyLovers · 19/09/2014 11:19

Yes, Groot, it's pretty insulting. A yes voter I know on FB said when the result came in that people had 'bottled it'. In fact the no voters I've talked to/read about all put just as much thought and research into their vote as did yes voters.

I just wish it hadn't been allowed to be decided by such narrow margins; it's prime ground for resentment to fester, on both sides.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 11:21

Lovley Flowers

I think it's going to take a while for everyone to come to terms with the result. Hope we can talk about 'what next' after a few days.

MindReader · 19/09/2014 11:49

Cheers Fontella's posts.

Thanks to Statistically for the brilliant analysis of the facts and figures without which I would have felt less confirdent voting NO.

I believe that each member nation of the UK could do with more devolved local Govornment.

I think we NEED far more political engagement with people at grassroots level.

I hope that this is what we work towards.

MindReader · 19/09/2014 11:57

A 10% margin isnt' huge granted, but given an 85% turnout, it is a clear mandate.

cedricsneer · 19/09/2014 11:59

Still feel like as a no voter on mn I am seen as a sell out and somehow less Scottish by some - perhaps some yes voters could reassure me? I too will be having a dram and listening to scottish songs tonight. I am still very very scottish and I won't let anyone claim that they are somehow more entitled to that cultural heritage. I will not be made to feel like an imperialist pretender.

Genuine commiserations to those who are disappointed. And (although I know I'll be accused of being smug) peace and love. Thanks

DaughterDilemma · 19/09/2014 12:02

Whatever side you were on, politics in the UK will be changed forever so although the No vote won, if the yes vote hadn't been as big and as scary to Cameron and Clegg, you wouldn't have ended up with what is effectively DevoMax.

Having some MPs only voting on some issues is one of the biggest changes so far in parliamentary history. Completely unprecedented and will change everything forever.

So although the vote was black and white, either/or, yes/no, the collective vote has changed everything anyway. Apart from Trident and Oil there's not much left that England has exclusive control over. How they are going to work it all out is beyond me. Two different tax systems within the same currency? Blimey.

I'm very glad and appreciative that the yes vote was so strong because it has given our system a massive shake-up that it has needed for a very long time.

DaughterDilemma · 19/09/2014 12:04

*England has exclusive control over

should have said UK has collective control over

WildThrong · 19/09/2014 12:10

Hi daughter. I knew it would happen some time....I agree with you!

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 12:16

We don't know what the 'extra' powers will be though.

I do agree that only MPs from each country should vote on matters that affect that country iyswim.

DaughterDilemma · 19/09/2014 12:20

Yay Wildthong! We agree!

WildThrong · 19/09/2014 12:22

It's the future, lovely.....

WildThrong · 19/09/2014 12:23

Sorry, that should be to daughter

livingzuid · 19/09/2014 13:37

daughter I couldn't agree more.

At work. Was only no voter it seems. Everyone else left to go out for lunch and I was not invited. Tbh they would only be rehashing the threads which I am sick of and I don't agree with their point of view so it is best to let them get on with it and wait for it to settle down. But I do continue to feel isolated. Lots of dark talk of UKIP which I have firmly said ain't gonna happen. When asked why I said because people aren't that stupid. It was very hard to not draw a correlation between this and the whole Europe thing in jest but there you go.

I'm not here to rub it in but I am delighted and have no problem saying so. I am so excited for the future for my baby and my husband. If the result had been reversed I doubt being considerate of the other side's feelings would have happened.

I just want to get on with it now. Life goes on.

BardarbungaBardarbing · 19/09/2014 13:42

living this has made me look at my own ignorance of what Europe provides in terms of an larger umbrella federation to work within in the modern world.
I'm less blase about crazy UKIP gaining traction.

OnlyLovers · 19/09/2014 13:52

Everyone else left to go out for lunch and I was not invited.

That's mean and petty, isn't it. Sad

This bloody referendum has caused so much division.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 19/09/2014 13:52

Zuid :( sorry your work colleagues are acting that way, it's so childish. Hopefully over the weekend they'll grow up! Wink

If 'yes' had won, the crowing would have been heard in Cornwall!