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To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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SantanaLopez · 19/09/2014 06:20

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

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sconequeen · 20/09/2014 20:41

And rejoining the Labour Party.

I'm sure you will be welcomed with open arms. But you may be a bit lonely there as their Scottish supporters seem now to be deserting in droves - and that's before Milliband breaks his referendum promises...

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/09/2014 20:44

I think there are a lack of places for people who've become more politically aware/interested to go. Many don't share the political views of the mainstream parties - however they voted on Thursday.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 20/09/2014 20:46

Lucky calm down.

No biggie. But the OP was about no blaming or gloating. I think going on about unfair subsidisation of the scots is blaming.

But you don't need to leave the thread woman

Luckytwo · 20/09/2014 20:49

I'm not blaming anyone or gloating just saying what it is , thanks . I have no vested interest, as a scot in England I was disenfranchised by my own country.

Luckytwo · 20/09/2014 20:51

Also I think I may have mentioned if you'd bothered to read fanjo that I had never till today questioned the Barnett formula.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 20/09/2014 20:53

I'm just fed up that a thread with such good intentions turned into pages of no voters justifying themselves and criticising Scotland. Not just you

Luckytwo · 20/09/2014 20:55

Thing us, silly I know, if I could have voted it would probably have been a yes !

SapphireMoon · 20/09/2014 21:00

I have just read the Barnett formular today.
A lot of us are just moles seeing the political light from a frenzy of angles and trying to digest it and sort it all out.
Or is that just me?

Luckytwo · 20/09/2014 21:01

Is not us

SapphireMoon · 20/09/2014 21:07

Well been reading media all over the shop from the Mail to the Guardian to more local Scottish papers to political papers.
I might implode soon!
Becoming quite obsessed....

StatisticallyChallenged · 20/09/2014 21:23

You've got me off researching Barnett more now!

HaroldLloyd · 20/09/2014 21:28

I've also been reading up on the barnet formula.

They even did a handy example calculation on wales online.

SapphireMoon · 20/09/2014 21:32

Well if you both reading it please share your views when you have digested...
Thanks muchly!

Roonerspism · 20/09/2014 21:38

I haven't seen any gloating Hmm I thought it was a reasoned post critique.

Now I'm not crapping myself that it could happen, I feel a bit more able to look at it all rationally.

Scone The reason I want to re-engage in politics is precisely because everyone is so pissed off with the two main parties. That is how the SNP gained their momentum. And I feel I can't sit on my bum whinging about it any more.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 20/09/2014 21:46

Sapphire no you aren't alone, from reading these threads & the ref turnout I gather a lot of people feel the same :)

Fanjo there it is again 'No voters criticising Scotland' as if the yes voters own it. They don't. No one is criticising Scotland.

sconequeen · 20/09/2014 21:49

Scone The reason I want to re-engage in politics is precisely because everyone is so pissed off with the two main parties. That is how the SNP gained their momentum. And I feel I can't sit on my bum whinging about it any more.

Yes, I've not been a member of a political party and have been a bit of a floating voter too. However, I am now seriously considering joining up after weighing up which one will be the best option for me. Clue: won't be the Tories, Labour or the LibDems. Smile

Roonerspism · 20/09/2014 21:53

scone hard to guess then Grin

The political engagement and relatively peaceful campaigning on both sides has made me feel - well - proud

Roonerspism · 20/09/2014 21:59

Also just realised - if Sturgeon becomes first minister, that will mean three female party leaders in Scotland.

That is a flipping amazing statistic!

I'm no SNP fan in case you hadn't gathered, but I couldn't help admire Sturgeon's dignity and calmness in the early hours of Friday when she was bombarded with questions. She handled herself brilliantly

SapphireMoon · 20/09/2014 22:16

I agree Rooner, Nicola Sturgeon handled herself very well.

livingzuid · 20/09/2014 23:12

bogqueen I too had no clue how much I would get caught up in the vote. DH and I even had a row in the car about it earlier though we both voted no Confused

It will be nice to resume normal life again but this time being more engaged with the politics going on around me. I hate that it is so like the States and we only essentially have two parties to choose from in power (so many other countries work in coalition so why can't we effectively?) so I will look at the Independents and other smaller parties.

claig · 20/09/2014 23:13

'I am now seriously considering joining up after weighing up which one will be the best option for me. Clue: won't be the Tories, Labour or the LibDems.'

UKIP?

' I couldn't help admire Sturgeon's dignity and calmness in the early hours of Friday when she was bombarded with questions. She handled herself brilliantly'

Yes, she is always brilliant. Sincere, no spin.

I like Lesley Riddoch, shame she isn't in politics.

Toadinthehole · 20/09/2014 23:15

I think there's nothing at all new about the Barnett formula over-allocating spending to Scotland. I remember taking a course in politics as part of my degree back in the 1990s (in Scotland, one of the ancient universities) and the over-allocation was presented by the academics as a completely accepted fact. If I remember correctly, Lord Barnett is only repeating what he has always said (I remember the term "indefensible" being used).

I should stress that the over-allocation was presented as being for absolutely no reason at all, not because (for example) Scotland was less populated, colder, or anything like that.

I was surprised that discussions of the Barnett formula in recent times have (until this week) made no account of this.

Toadinthehole · 20/09/2014 23:34

A seperate post for a separate issue.

Having not been resident in Scotland for some time, I have tried to limit my posts to matters where I have a a decently-informed opinion to express. One of these things is EU membership, and the position iScotland would have been in.

I am a practising lawyer and I know a bit about constitutional law, international law and the like. So when the pro-independence campaign alleged that either Scotland would never leave the EU, or that Scotland would as a matter of certainty be able to obtain re-entry simultaneously with independence on the same terms as the UK currently holds, I felt that they were taking a completely untenable position on a major, major issue. Some of the arguments going round made me wince. Examples of these were: it was impossible to strip Scots of EU citizenship, Scotland was already a member (yes Nicola Sturgeon, I'm looking at you) and Spanish reservations should be discounted because they were biased. There was also the matter of the Scottish Goverment's legal advice that didn't exist. By contrast, the UK Gvt's legal advice (which was published on the Internet) confirmed what was pretty much obviously the case: that iScotland would have to reapply, unless every member state was prepared to agree to amend the treaties on which the EU is based. This in turn had ramifications in terms of what currency iScotland would have to adopt. When the position of the likes of Reding and Barruso became known, the response was similar. But all they were doing also was stating the obvious.

The honest pro-independence position would have been "if we wish to be part of the EU, iScotland may seek entry on terms that the EU is prepared to offer" and "this may result in adopting the Euro". But instead, the Yes campaign insisted the EU membership and continued use of the pound was an absolute given, and anyone who said otherwise was lying.

The Yes Campaign, and Salmond and Sturgeon in particular deserve real criticism for this. It was extremely irresponsible. The debate on this point as extremely uninformed, and they were responsible for that. They should have known better. At best, they were being extremely naïve. It could have resulted in an extremely bad outcome.

sconequeen · 20/09/2014 23:51

*'I am now seriously considering joining up after weighing up which one will be the best option for me. Clue: won't be the Tories, Labour or the LibDems.'

UKIP?*

Think not, somehow...

Veritata · 21/09/2014 00:12

Roonerspam, like you I'm not pro SNP but I was dead impressed when I turned on the TV at 5.30 a.m. on Friday and saw Nicola Sturgeon being interviewed. Despite having been up all night and, presumably, being fairly gutted, she was immaculate, measured, sensible and knowledgeable. Which was more than I would have been at that hour even after a full night's sleep.