To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

Talking of reform, did anyone notice amid the hurly burly on Thursday that the Royal & Ancient voted to admit women?

I did wonder if it was influenced by indyref, and a recognition that a Powerful Boys' Club isn't a good model for governance of anything.

I voted No because I am British and did not want to live in a seperate country end of.

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*Yes and they still had no idea what currency they would use.

45% of the population still wanted indepence based on blind hope- if the economics of independence had stacked up it would have been a landslide.*

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Plus the fact we would have needed to reapply to join the EU and would have been required to join the Euro if we had. I actually would have been okay with the Euro myself but got cross with the lack of transparency on this.

I can completely see why yes voters felt and voted the way they did. But there were more of us No's than Yessers.

So why don't we move on and put our energies in trying to get the WM party to deliver on what they said they were going to....

There are/ we're economic arguments both ways. Just because I'm not able to argue them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Totally genuine question - how did you reach the conclusion to vote Yes when you were unable to argue the economic realities of independence?

Watching Gordon brown

Deeedeee, I'm happy to discuss with people. But I'm not sure how much is to be gained by a no voter going on to a Yes voter site and debating with them at this point, now that the vote is over. I know that you, and many other Yes voters, are still feeling very raw and hurt just now. I'm not sure that would help.

What did you think of MidgeHollow's post re looking at the issues we have and how to resolve them? LatteLover suggested upthread that a separate thread is started to do that - maybe one that we make explicitly not about who voted what or why, not about independence (since it is unlikely that there will be another vote on it soon), but about what are the issues, what solutions could work and how we as individuals can do anything about them?

We might have been on different sides of the vote, but I think we probably have a lot of shared views otherwise.

Morris I know exactly what you mean. I've come off Facebook because people who I thought were friends have been saying the most awful things.

These are people who I have offered helped through difficult times and vice versa and our kids have played together. It's just horrendous.

LIVE FROM DALGETY BAY

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He is a much better speaker than I remember him to be.

Really curious to see what role he takes now. He might get more done now he's not PM.

Loving Gorgeous Gordon

I don't see myself as a patriot though just a voter who wanted her country to stay together.

Do agree with the point on the flag. Imo all flag action should have been banned from both campaigns.

Also watching GB. Impressed.

I voted 'No' and I am delighted that we are still united. I wasn't influenced by last minute promises, I am actually perfectly happy with the devolution settlement we have and don't want it tampered with. Personally, I think we need a period of stability, not change, and I am tad irked that, despite losing, the Yes side think they have any mandate to demand change.

Many of my family voted yes but I am delighted to say they know how to be good losers. It was a big turn out and a clear majority, so they accept the democratic decision.

What would really make a difference is if the same numbers turned out to vote in national, local and European elections. That annoys me, people like to complain but then don't even bother to vote. The only positive legacy from the whole horrible, divisive referendum would be if people actually started to bother to vote in future.

Ooh yes, definitely move parliament out of London. Completely fed up with all the anti-London/Westminster stuff where people confuse Londoners with MPs. I think York would be a brilliant place.

So, 4 parliaments. The English parliament is dominated by Tories/UKIP, but this means that there is a demographic shift as people move North and West, equalising power. House prices stabilise. London is no longer political centre but is edgy, urban, cultural centre, a bit like New York.

Watching Gordon Brown too.

He makes wee Ed and Shiny Dave look like rank amateurs.

Suh a defeat - after months of soaring expectations and claims that a political earthquake was imminent

The quote is from the Independent article.
Do any Yes voters not think your campaign was out of control at the end? At only 1 point was it briefly in the lead.

For me the Yes campaign became an odd mix by the end. On the one hand full of negativity- the constant accusations of scare- mongering and that No are too scared; the claims that voting Yes was selfish. It wore a bit thin.

On the other hand the triumphant optimism was spinning out of control. Salmond had declared the 19th would be day of celebration before a vote was cast; any other politician might have settled for saying he was quietly optimistic at that point.

He was claiming he was already in discussions with other EU heads of state. I simply don't believe that was anything more than at best a call to say "I'm Alex, must meet up"

Hell, he had me seriously worried, despite being told by a private canvasser 54% No seemed more likely. Yes must have had its own set of figures too.

The reality is over 1/3 of Council areas rejected independence even in SNP strongholds by over 60% and another 1/3 rejected it by 55% or more. Of the 4 Councils who did support Yes Glasgow and Dundee had the lowest turn out, possibly because they thought it was already in the bag given what was coming out from Yes .

The tone of this thread is awful in places. Calling 2.1 million people cowards and traitors is not on. Some of you (not all) are carrying on as if just because you believed in Yes passionately No voters should have handed their votes to you.

Interestingly, 3 years ago I saw Alistair Darling speak on the same point about the impact of globalization.

ooooooh he's good.

This might sound strange but I'm not sure what 'the 45' want now. Yes, I know they hoped Scotland would be an independent country. But assuming democracy was also what they wanted - and democratically we are staying in the Union - what do 'the 45' want now? Another referendum?

Brown that is not Darling! The latter I find singularly bland.

I think it's a good suggestion, but way too soon for me and expect many others, stat.

I voted yes because, as I've said, the economic arguments were available both ways. I could see opportunity and difficulties both ways. God I even read every single one of these threads and followed every link. But the conclusion I came to was that there wasn't a conclusive certain argument either way, it is the future and therefore unknowable and a completely different context. And purely "doing the maths" in my opinion is an intelligent way to make decision on something so huge as it takes no heed of other massive forces, such as unprecented change happening, transfers of power, the power of hope. It also was only one aspect in a whole raft of things that made up my decision. Economics was really very unimportant. I believe that people control money , not that money controls people. You believe otherwise. I doubt we'll agree. But I know who's world I'd prefer to live in.

And I'm afraid you'll just have to put up with the 45% stuff. There's a lot of people who need it who are now having to put up with the repurcusions of your vote.

whattheseithakasmean excellent post.

Yes, but what is the point of the 45 stuff? It seems purposeless.

Over 1.5 million people in Scotland voted for independence on Thursday. Others voted No not because they didn't want independence but because they had fears about certain aspects, or because they believed that the time was not right for whatever reason.

The Westminster establishment, big business and the media spread scare stories which frightened many people into voting No. The three main Westminster parties made panicky promises which they are already failing to keep. But despite the fears, lies and scaremongering, 1.5 million people were prepared to vote Yes. Who would have believed that the vote would have been that high even a few months ago? We were only 6% away from a majority.

Support for Scottish independence is now much stronger than it has ever been. 1.5 million people in Scotland have voted for a vision of a fairer Scotland making its own decisions. More will join. The Yes campaign is not going away. This is not the end, it's just the beginning of the next phase.

He is a much better speaker than I remember him to be.

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