To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

Daughter - it sounds quite attacky.

I wish people would take down those 45 twibbons. I suppose they will do over the next few weeks but it is divisive, can't move on, etc.

Do you know, I votedc No because I bloody well chose to. And we won. And now we are told it was a fix, the media was biased, we have been conned.

A good friend, in her 50s voted No, and it was her first ever vote. She will vote again and again to ensure we don't have to go through this again.

Please, credit us with some intelligence. Be upset, but be gracious. We all condemn violence and thuggery, all of us. The men ( I think it was mostly men) having a big fight last night were just football thugs and idiots who choose some sort of cause to legitimise their desire to fight and burn stuff. They represent nothing - not Scotland, Britain BT or Yes. They are a disgrace to mankind. There weren't that many of them and it was sorted. It could have been very, very much worse.

But all this "we are the 45 stuff" and narrow margin thing is rubbish. It is more rhetoric designed to continue to stir the pot. Had BT lost, we would have been told of the landslide, of the triumphant Yes campaign about how foolish and conned we had been. We won. And we are still getting this rhetoric.

Please. Stop.

deedee

Latte, I guess because I'm not perfect and I'm feeling very sad today

I'm sorry you are feeling sad :( That's understandable. Of course you are entitled to post what and where you want, it's just a bit tiresome when people state things as fact but don't want anyone to counter that. Still, as I said, no problem.

I haven't thrown any insults though. Show me where I have

I never said anything of the kind?!

Morris I think the Prime Minister has a lot of catching up to do. If it wasn't for his last minute pledges the yes vote might be through and you would all be busy working together making plans.

As it is he is posturing and strategising, along with Milliband on how to make Scotland work best for them.

You are right this is bloody awful and nothing like the exciting step into a new future that people thought it would be.

Morris I am very very glad I am not on Facebook. I think a lot of friendships and indeed marriages are going to be lost over this :(

Rose I agree.

Daughterdilemma I've detailed my reasons for voting no. It was nothing whatsoever to do with not trusting my fellow countrypersons, and it certainly had nothing to do with John blooming Lewis. That argument shows, actually, that you don't trust your fellow countrypersons, as you believe they made their decision on such trite rationale.

The basic reasons behind my vote were:

1. I would prefer to be part of the UK. I like being in a union with my closest neighbours. I don't think we are different enough to warrant separation.
2. The economics didn't stack up. I've posted very detailed answers on this before. It's not about not trusting fellow countrypersons, it was about recognising that the plans that were proposed by the politicians who would have ultimately been leading our separation did not stack up.
3. Because of the flaws with the economics, I believe that had we become independent very significant cuts would have been required and that these cuts would have only hurt the poorest in our country - and far more than the proposed Tory cuts.

There is a whole load more which I have talked about in detail before.

If it wasn't for his last minute pledges the yes vote might be through and you would all be busy working together making plans.

daughterdilema that's exactly why the yes vote lost- the time to be making plans was not after the referendum.

I feel angry. Not just for Scotland but for England too.

DaughterDilemma

You know exactly why StatisticallyChallenged voted the way she did. You have been on all of the threads. You have had the NO vote explained to you by many posters, in many ways.

Name changing only works if you also change your posting style, otherwise it's pointless.

You are acting like a 'goady fucker'. Stop it. Just stop it.

I voted No because I am British and did not want to live in a seperate country end of.

I was not going to turn my back on my fellow Brits and say screw you. As i've said on previous threads I am no differrent to someone in England, Wales or Nirthern Ireland or any more desserving than them so voted no to remain united with then.

And I have no shame in saying this and to those who think I am a coward well i say you are selfish with your shouts of it's our oil it's our pound etc, Let me correct you it's Britains pound and Britains oil and thank god for the No voters that it will remain that way.

Don't feel angry BogQueen. The referendum was impressive democracy in action - the sort that people have died for.

daughterdilema that's exactly why the yes vote lost- the time to be making plans was not after the referendum.*

Are you kidding?? The Yes campaign produced a white paper that was forensically analysed for years.

The no campaign. Has produced a set of bows that appear to have been scribbled on the back if fag pavket

Latte please don't patronise me, my argument is as valid as any other's. Your posts are rude and aggressive.

You need to stop and think why the Yes voters are so hacked off instead of taking umbrage that they are. You voted No, you won so why do you continue to talk down anyone with anything to say on the matter?

There were answers, lots of them in a white paper. No exact figures of course, but then again you weren't choosing between two supermarkets to see which gave the best offers. You were choosing different political pathways. You chose, you won. Be happy now.

So now it appears I am a coward as well!!!

With loaded statement like coward and treachery going around how is this country ever going to move forward.

It is understandable that people are upset. I would be too, however it is far from ok for people to throw loaded statements into the mix which they know will offend.

As for those thugs last night. Everyone knows they represent no one. They were kicking off for the sake of kicking off.

Are you kidding?? The Yes campaign produced a white paper that was forensically analysed for years.

Yes and they still had no idea what currency they would use.

45% of the population still wanted indepence based on blind hope- if the economics of independence had stacked up it would have been a landslide.

Your posts are rude and aggressive.

DaughterDilemma you have made your fair share of those sorts of comments. Saying people are cowards and banding words like treachery about, of course people will react!

All countries are dependent on other countries to a lesser or greater extent. Generally small countries are more dependent on other countries. True independence is more about power than having your own flag at the Olympics opening ceremony.

An independent Scotland without a currency and without a clear idea of where it was heading (the first socialist tax haven?) would have had very little power and been completely dependent on the whims of the UK and the EU - "yes you can use our currency and here are our terms…".

In a democracy, Scotland has power. If Scotland is dependent on countries in which it has no democratic voice it has little power. The No vote wasn't about lack of trust or fear of uncertainty, it was about realism. If you want people to trust in your vision, you have to be able to answer some common sense questions intelligently (particularly if the person asking the question is Scottish).

Daughterdilemma, your posts are patronising bordering on offensive. I have family who voted no who are neither traitors nor cowards but are decent intelligent people who 'did the math' and found it wanting, and who did not believe the rhetoric which appeared to them to not be built on solid ground. I respect their decision and can actually see why they voted the way they did.

I voted yes despite not because of the way the campaign was run.

This referendum has split the country.

The yobs in Glasgow last night are Scottish. We couldn't have got shot of them even in the event of a yes majority, we would still be having to deal with their behaviour.

I would love this thread to perhaps start focussing on the the issues we would like resolved, and possible resolutions. I would love to hear SC and Deeedeee's take on some of these issues as I believe their responses would be worth hearing.

Some issues I would love to see addressed

Big companies not contributing their fair share to the tax pot

Land reform

Bedroom tax - more and varied social housing needs to be built, including studios for singles and one bed bungalows for the elderly.

Please can we start to look for solutions rather than causing further division.

Latre I haven't name changed and I'm not a goady fucker. That's just rude.

Daughter - can I ask you what you think the best practical way of healing division would be? How can we get over this?

Just popped onto see how the make up was doing and instead of civil words an niceties I'm being accused that as a no voter I'm a coward and a traitor.

I'm disgusted at how both sides are dealing with the aftermath of the referendum. I am neither of those, I am an English person, living in Scotland that has lived in an Independent country previously and seen how expensive and difficult life can be. DH was due to lose his job and the immigration laws for him to get citizenship would have meant an additional 5-10 years before being able to apply (on top of the many he's already done)

Along with no real answers on currency and military defence they were my reasons for voting no.

Can we not just get on with life now and accept what has happened and that everyone had their reasons for voting their way?

Gordon Brown on BBC News now

watching it now

There are/ we're economic arguments both ways. Just because I'm not able to argue them doesn't mean they don't exist. I've spent time gathering them before and posting them here to just be belittled and scoffed at and I didn't write the arguments so I'm not going to counter. I wish I could get the people who hold these views to argue with you. That's why I asked stat to go argue on bellacaledonia. But I in no more trust you , anonmunous people on mumsnet. than I trust robin McAlpin, Noam Chomsky or joseph stilgitz. And it's THE FUTURE!! There are no certainties