To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

[SantanaLopez]

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

Feel very depressed and confused today. I don't understand why everyone voting NO out of fear of uncertainty couldn't see how much uncertainty there would be in the event of a NO vote, apart from
Scotland now isn't in control of the future, Nigel Farage, William Hague, David Cameron and Ed Miliband are. It's astonishing the amount of people who believed the "vow" Devo max lie. My father in law who voted no said last night " well I'm happy because I got what I wanted which was devomax" . It's not coming, the whole lie is unravelling already. Do you put your trust in "lord Smith of Kelvin" , the establishment's go to guy to argue for the best for Scotland? Because Alec Salmond would have been awful at it.

And all the people who voted NO because the couldn't condemn England to constant Tory governments? What do you think if miliband's and Hague's face off about the East Lothian question?

And I agree with crisyede. 10 or more thread's load of crap , associating egg throwing and petty vandalism with a " sinister " yes campaign and "the nationalists" but flares, flag burning and running battles with police denounced quickly and neatly as nothing to do with No voters. I would agree, I know it's nothing to do with the vary majority of the 55 percent, I just wish you could all give the same respect when you give your ridiculous anecdotes about car's being scratched, people not eating lunch with you, Miliband being heckled and Jim Murphy being egged.

Who's to vote for now in Westminster. Where is the left?

So the 19th came and went without a motion being passed. First promise broken in under 24 hours.

I'm just feeling a bit deflated now. It's not about criticising those who voted No for me, it's disappointment because I truly believe we could have done it...and please no stuff about what were the SNPs plans and on currency etc, there was enough of that before the election. I just and still truly feel we could and should be an independent nation and the thought of what is going to happen now scares me...big time.

Theres a surprise Rita eh, I'm shocked!

Does someone who knows how to start threads wanna start a thread on waiting and pushing for "the vow"

I can feel proud that I tried to do the right thing for Scotland and our future no regrets. My vote was purely driven by hope not fear.
But as they say you can't lie to all the people all the time we will have our day for independence in the future.
I just hope the people that voted no can say the same about having no regret in a few years time and wish they hadn't been cowards and sheep.

No supermum I wasnt.joking.

In fact I was talking about posts like yours.

Thanks for proving my point.

Talk about a superiority complex

Fanjo exactly. It's depressing isn't it and I'm depressed enough about this.

Yes. It's exactly why I am depressed about being stuck with the Tories.

"Shut up now Scotland, get back in your box. Away and play your bagpipes and bake some shortbread. Let us grown ups make the decisions. " and using 'we' to mean England on a thread about Scotland sums it up. At least lots of the no voters on this thread have the opposite attitude to this, which is why I've been enjoying the discussion.

If I'd been a coward and a sheep I wouldn't have stood up to the relentless deluge of Yes propaganda and misinformation on FB. I'm proud to have stood up to people and voted the way I feel was best for my country and the most poor and vulnerable.

If we're going to be accusing people of being sheep then I would say it was those swept along with the wave of rhetoric, hot air and empty promises that didn't stop for a minute to consider how they would deliver everything they said.

Feeling we could have done it obviously wasn't quite enough. Obviously lots of sane people wanted facts and figures before jumping with both feet into the unknown.

So the 19th came and went without a motion being passed. First promise broken in under 24 hours.

At least this could never happened if the vote had been Yes- there weren't any promises!

If I'd been a Yes voter (no allegiance either way) I would be angry that Salmond went into battle with no plan on an issue as fundamental as currency- they would have won otherwise.

deeedeee I think you failed spectacularly to see the point of my lunch comment. It was about division. It is not easy being a No voter in my area with the language I have seen an awful lot of the Yes lot bandy around. To sit there and hear 'fuck the English' and other things in the office when most of my family live there is beyond enough. Somehow things done to us are lesser?

I'm supposed to keep quiet because some of you Yes supporters are upset???? Just because your feelings are hurt doesn't mean I don't have the right to discuss something I found upsetting.

Your comment about No voters not voting yes because of the uncertainty I find on the borderline of bullying. Guess what - it was their choice to do so. You don't have to understand it any more than I have to understand how you could vote for the moonbeams and rainbows on offer. We have the right to vote whichever way we want and accept the result.

And to repeat for the umpteenth time, I quite frankly couldn't give a fuck about whether people wanted to lunch with me or not. Oh my god.

Agree Madame. If real concerns and questions had been met with answers rather than cries of scaremongering they might have pulled it off. But there were no real answers to give.

Please don't let this thread turn into this as well. Please read the original OP.

And I don't think that the Conservatives will get in at the next election.

Would we rather see the devolution process done properly or written in haste and rushed in in 24 hours leading to problems in the future? I would prefer it was given the time needed to ensure it was done correctly.

I think Labour is in serious trouble now. Cameron has outplayed Miliband - the 'vow' effective means its far far more difficult for Labour ever to have a majority. And many people in Scotland will never vote labour again.

Things are not going to be 'better together.'

having no regret in a few years time and wish they hadn't been cowards and sheep.

I am not a coward not am I a sheep!

I made MY decision, no one else's.

The reforms shouldn't be rushed, I agree. Hopefully they will put a timescale in place though.

The only way that things will stay the same is if the overwhelming majority of Scottish people decide they want things to say the same. 45% voted for change and a large number of people who voted No will have done so on the basis of the promise of greater devolution and lack of faith in Salmond.

There is an election in less than a year and the major political parties need Scottish votes. Obviously politicians make empty promises. However I don't see how Scotland is governable without change. (Whatever the Russians say…)

Labour has severely cocked up by thinking the English will be fobbed off with their apparent reticence of the west Lothian issue being sorted out being due to wanting devolution away from London.

Why are they happy for the poorer parts of Scotland and Wales to be ruled from Hollyrood and Cardiff but not the poorer parts of England to be ruled from London.

Good article about Alex Salmond in the The Independent:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-despite-defeat-history-may-still-point-to-alex-salmond-as-the-victor-9744674.html

Also
Concerned about the form 'home rule ' for England might take. - to get rid of the west Lothian question this may mean the Scottish parliament ends up with fewer powers. What's a 'UK issue?' Tuition fees? Will we start to see all
MPs voting on these matters? Because everything is up for grabs.