To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

[SantanaLopez]

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

I don't think they give a toss anymore about journalists.

I'm not going to believe it till I hear it from Miliband and Cameron. They know how damaging politically this headline will be for them. It seems very odd the hand picked news conference... I do wonder if Alex Salmond is over-stating their reservations about the timetable to "hold Westminster's feet to the fire"

Spirited I do hope that Cameron and Miliband can pull this back.

I was disappointed at the no vote but prepared to accept the majority (even though on this thread there has been some awful crowing and bad taste comments. If the situation was reversed I cant see that the yes lot would behave any better)

But to not even manage 24hrs before back tracking is more than insulting.

I wouldn't believe it for a minute. They haven't even had time to draw breath after the vote. It is all high emotion and lots of tension, smoke, mirrors and blame games at the moment.

Please let's remember how much brohaha there was in the press in the runup to this vote. This is the same thing. The Guardian was one of the worst I thought.

And crap though the BT campaign was I can't believe even Cameron would be so dumb as to put out news like that so soon after the vote. It would be career suicide if he wants to stand a cat's chance of winning the next election!

I get the impression this isn't so much "reneging" but has to do with agreeing more powers for ALL parts of the UK as part of the same process; as always, the devil seems to be in the detail

It's been said that Labour won't necessarily agree to restricting Scots MPs' influence on English matters (he wants to keep their votes for obvious reasons) and that this may delay the second reading of the bill which had been mentioned

Apologies my comments were in reference to Cameron and Milliband going back on their word during the campaign.

The timetable I saw for Gordon Brown's proposal had the further powers included in the Queen's speech in 2015, not a second reading before next May. Is he supposed to have promised that in private?

Ed Miliband is completely right to not promise to go along with all of Cameron's devolution proposals, since Cameron has tried to piggy back changes that he hopes will disadvantage Labour in England. It doesn't mean Miliband won't agree to devo max proposals for Scotland, it is about the overall proposals for the UK. Remember Labour has had a previous plan for devolution to the English regions which is very different to Cameron's ideas. Many Labour members would, as a bare minimum, want to be consulted. Anyone remember the north east assembly referendum?

I don't see the timetable on the news article linked to earlier as backtracking - the draft bill is published in January with the bill to be included in the Queen's Speech following the General Election, meaning it will go through Parliament in the first year of the new Government. You can't draft proper legislation and go through the parliamentary stages in a couple of months, and the timetable as published is still extremely quick. Rushed legislation is usually bad legislation and this is too important to screw up. Especially since, as David Cameron said this morning, the settlement for England, Wales and Northern Ireland has to be dealt with at the same time. This is a major constitutional change we're talking about here, it has to be drafted and carried properly.

Love the bellacaledonia link. I would wish that all yes voters were so big - and I definitely do feel empathy. I love the rebuttal of all the "ashamed" comments - they really piss me off .

As I said earlier, I did not vote because of the vow either. It is a convenient thing for the yes campaign to deflect from their awful economic arguments by blaming wm reneging on the vow. It was simply not the motivation for anyone I know who voted no, and even the undecideds who swung to no.

The other thread makes for some very nasty reading in places .

Righto, calming down now!!

I will be equally if they do renege though. I'm behind on the news due to sleeping.

It's sounding like it might not be a clear "they've reneged" at all then?

The whole select journalists (who don't ask too many questions) thing isn't exactly the hallmark of an open honest conversation frankly

Better Together Timetable

I obviously can't speak for the entire No vote but in my family and friends were No from the outset. The extra powers made no difference. In fact my husband thought it was a mistake. I also know 2 people who changed from No to Yes after that.

Just to add my tuppence worth... It wasn't mine or my DPs reason for voting no. We were already no way before.

no, way before not no way

Alex Salmond resigned

Yep

Miliband reaction

Posted at 17:42

UK Labour leader Ed Miliband said: "Alex Salmond has been a formidable frontline politician.

"Whatever our disagreements, he always spoke his mind and he has always stood up for what he believed in.

"Our task now is to make sure that we deliver on the timetable we've set out, to deliver extra powers to the Scottish Parliament, and we will deliver on that."

Re DCam etc - I will certainly write to my MP and ask that he makes it clear that promises will be honoured. That is the least I can do.
I will also be in touch with the Letsstaytogether group.

I give up. Just had someone say to me that all the older people who voted no only did so because they didn't have access to the internet to learn the facts.

I did not vote no because I don't know the bloody facts! (she doesn't know how I voted)

What a depressing day.

Well, SC, I just heard someone on R4 saying that the older No voters won't be here too long, so there is still hope for the independence movement

anyone else already on the by the way?