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to feel happy and excited about voting YES!

473 replies

area52 · 18/09/2014 13:17

I am just back from the polling booth and can say that I have never felt so positive about voting. The feeling that my vote is actually counting, rather than being swalowed up as is the case with Westminster voting, is also fantastic.

IMO a yes vote will reinvigorate the whole of Britain and, amongst other things, allow Scotland and England build better relations as equal but interdependent neighbours and allies.

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KissMyFatArse · 18/09/2014 15:46

Meh that's very gracious of you Grin I agree with you, both sides could have done better with the campaign but it's up to us as individuals to research what were being told and make our own conclusions.

But hopefully wether together or separate this isn't down to Scotland hating England or England hating Scotland so we need to stay away from the personal attacks (not pointed at you btw!)

gingee · 18/09/2014 15:47

My brother will have to move to England if independent, if he wants to keep his job. So he voted no. He's just bought his first flat too, where our parents grew up. He's the only person i know who's voted. Team do you have any info on borders/passports??

SailorEverRose · 18/09/2014 15:48

but then it's time to roll our sleeves up and get on with making the country we can all be happy with, either way

HAHAHAAAAAA. Hilarious.

Nothing like that has or will ever exist.

If it's a yes vote then the future of Scotland will look very much like the first scene in 28 Days Later.

atticusclaw · 18/09/2014 15:49

gingee nothing happens overnight. There's a period of about 18 months (in theory although likely to take longer) before Scotland leaves. In that time they decide the details. Just little ones like currency, borders, the location of all of our nuclear missiles, how to split up an army/navy/airforce when there is not proportional representation in terms of nationality in the armed forces

AS seems to think after today everyone skips around holding hands agreeing to everything he wants. In all likelihood (if there's a yes vote) after today is when the real arguing starts.

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 15:49

It's clear bollocks that the Scottish are in some way different to thr rest of us.

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 15:50

' We're quite different to you'-- To who exactly??? England is a diverse nation. Scotland is less so but I think the implication that you all share one personality is a bit far fetched.

It's not, at all. Scotland (and I am aware I am slightly generalising here, but you only have to look at certain demographics such as the complete lack of support for UKIP) is far more socialist in nature than the rest of the UK. Most Scots, according to polls, wish to remain in the EU whereas it's very likely that the UK will leave if UKIP and the Tories have their way. We've abolished the bedroom tax. We offer free university tuition. Most of us don't want to waste billions on nuclear weapons and we don't want them in our country. We have far more ambitious renewable energy targets than the rest of the UK. This is the kind of country I want to live in, not one run from and by London and for the interests of the top 5% of the country which, from where I stand, is how things feel at the present time.

WRT my comment of "we don't need your help" I mean we certainly don't need the help of those people who have come out with the "just go then, and don't come crying back" rhetoric. I have friends and family in England, and Scotland going independent won't change that. It would be less dickish, though, for people to accept that Scotland perhaps is fed up with Westminster rule. I'll say it again. It's not an anti-English vote. Stop assuming it is.

feelingmellow · 18/09/2014 15:51

I thought the YES vote was for independence, rather than interdependence?
The language seems to have changed over the last few days

TheCraicDealer · 18/09/2014 15:52

Cork, probably on the basis that someone from say Liverpool may have a totally different outlook than someone from, I dunno, Cornwall. You can say the same about a shipbuilder from Greenock and a fisherman from Shetland. In fact the latter two from each will probably have more in common with each than their urban counterparts. To try and apply a one-size-fits-all stereotype is at best naive and at worst pretty friggin xenophobic.

gingee · 18/09/2014 15:52

Do you not think the English would love free tuition at Uni as well? And if you go independent will it still be free to everyone?? Apart from non-Scots I mean?

MehsMum · 18/09/2014 15:52

Kiss, I too don't like personal attacks...

... but I do detest almost ALL politicians!

Roonerspism · 18/09/2014 15:52

Ah the irony of a yes vote for "interdependence". I have long said they don't understand what they are getting themselves into.

First smile I have had in days. But of course, I'm one of the many no voters who will be out of a job. As will DH. Likely negative equity on our house so we can't even escape to England.

It is with a very heavy heart I have voted today.

The only thing I will enjoy if it goes through is the look of panic on weasel Salmond's face when he is told, finally, no currency union.

KissMyFatArse · 18/09/2014 15:52

Meh cannot disagree ..

Kendodd · 18/09/2014 15:53

Personally I think a lot of people claiming to be firmly in the Yes camp will shit themselves in the polling booth and vote No, then come out claiming to have voted Yes. We'll see tomorrow though.

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 15:53

What is his plan b on currency? I don't think there will be much support from the voters in rUK in a currency union.

Maybe there will be a swapsie for Trident.

gingee · 18/09/2014 15:54

Rooner my poor DB is in a shit situation too although he'll keep his job just in a different location. They'll be losing a bloody good lad!

MotherOfNations · 18/09/2014 15:54

ginger from what I've read so far, we will still be able to use UK passports up until they run out, but will have the option of applying for a Scottish passport.
Salmond has said that there will be no border control.

MotherOfNations · 18/09/2014 15:55

gingee even.

gingee · 18/09/2014 15:56

mother I had visions of enormous queues at Edinburgh Waverley whilst everyone had their passports checked!

Kendodd · 18/09/2014 15:56

Salmond has said that there will be no border control.

Yes, and it will only be up to him, the English won't have a say.

DamnBamboo · 18/09/2014 15:57

NO border control on the Scottish side is what he should be saying. He can't say what rUK does on this side as clearly they have controls on only one side of the border. Scotland doesn't have to check people coming into Scotland - that would be their choice.

I don't think the rUK will have the same view though.

atticusclaw · 18/09/2014 15:57

Salmond might have said there will be no border control but he will only control one side of the border...

MotherOfNations · 18/09/2014 15:57

I'm only saying what Salmond has said, not what will happen.

atticusclaw · 18/09/2014 15:58

How could we not have border control with a foreign country? Confused

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 15:59

I'm making a bolognese with Aberdeen Angus beef as a mark to this occasion.

OTheHugeManatee · 18/09/2014 15:59

I read an insightful article by someone who joined and then left the Yes campaign, about how it has been so successful largely by being very positive but incredibly vague. So a whole ragbag of different interest groups, from hawkish capitalists through to hard-line socialists, all believe based on the Yes campaign that they'll get the country they want 'after the revolution'. So depending on who you ask, an independent Scotland is going to be a lean business-friendly oil economy, a country where BP is nationalised, a high-tax haven of egalitarianism and social justice, a low-tax powerhouse of manufacturing etc etc etc.

The problem is, of course, that these can't all happen at once. So if the Yes vote wins and all these groups start trying to realise their version of utopia they'll realise very quickly that most of said visions are in conflict with one another and there will be the most almighty row.

Meanwhile, though, they are all feeling happy and excited about voting YES - because nobody wants to look too hard at whether they all have the same idea of what YES actually means or whether they'll get currency union, or EU membership, or border controls with England and a few other bits and pieces like that.