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to feel happy and excited about voting YES!

473 replies

area52 · 18/09/2014 13:17

I am just back from the polling booth and can say that I have never felt so positive about voting. The feeling that my vote is actually counting, rather than being swalowed up as is the case with Westminster voting, is also fantastic.

IMO a yes vote will reinvigorate the whole of Britain and, amongst other things, allow Scotland and England build better relations as equal but interdependent neighbours and allies.

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HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 16:22

You have missed my point kid. Stop saying things and saying it's what the Scottish people want was my point.

You can only speak for yourself.

I am well aware how democracy works at, but I would never be so bold as to speak on behalf of the welsh nation.

Shesparkles · 18/09/2014 16:22

I'm a no voter and I've never put such a black cross on a ballot paper as I did this morning. If independence does go ahead, I can see Scotland sinking into a depression which I don't see us getting out of in my lifetime .
I've had a horrible feeling of dread in the pit of my stomach for the last couple of weeks and I just have a huge sense of fear about it.
I just don't think people really understand that if it goes the yes way,that's it FOREVER, it's not just about the current government.
I understand people saying they didn't vote for the current Tory government, but you know what, I didn't vote for the current SNP shower in Holyrood either.
I'm extremely patriotic and proud of being Scottish, but that doesn't mean I don't want to remain British too.

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:24

@ Kendodd

There is no provision in law for recounts if the result is close. If it comes down to 1 vote either way, there will be no recount. The result is final. Recounts will only happen if an error in process or fraud is suspected. This is all detailed in the white paper.

gingee · 18/09/2014 16:25

Yes but what if one side claims fraud or error??

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 16:25

PLease link to MN threads where that's been said. I missed that.
On the streets and to your face? I don't believe there are English people roaming the streets of Scotland telling Scots to 'fuck off'.
You are in Scotland right?
As for Andy Murray, nothing compared to the abuse that David Bowie, for example got.

SirChenjin · 18/09/2014 16:26

Just how do we move forward with a small majority? Surely to God even Wee Wee Eck must acknowledge that an inde Scotland with almost half the population being dragged kicking and screaming (metaphorically of course) down that road doesn't really get us off to a great start - and conversely, a United Kingdom Government is going to have a hard task ahead of it.

I'm really surprised that there doesn't have to be a significant majority for something of this magnitude.

Scholes34 · 18/09/2014 16:26

Whatever happens, we know that Germany managed a reunification after 40 years.

As long as Mr Tunnock maintains a good supply of his marvellous teacackes (both in milk and dark chocolate) sound of the border, all will be fine.

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:26

Harold I would have thought it obvious I was speaking as a member of the yes vote. If we lose (and I actually think we will) then we will have to accept the result as much as a no voter would the other way round.

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 16:27

No it wasn't to be honest.

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:28

Yes, an English person in a pub said, to my face, during what was otherwise a polite conversation that, if Scotland votes yes - and I quote, exactly

"You can all fuck off. If you vote yes, I hope your country fails and you come crawling back so we can laugh at you".

You can believe me or not, that's your choice.

I don't, by any means, think what happened to Bowie or JK was in any way acceptable. I won't tolerate it in the other direction either though.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 16:29

No, Kid Lorne, you have made it sound as if you were talking for all Scottish people.

saoirse31 · 18/09/2014 16:29

Seems to me that if Alex Salmond manahes to get yes vote then hes proved himself as extremely able politician and i d expect him and his team to be v capable of negotoatong a good deal. And the world will go on....

Other countries have successfully achieved a successful independence from britain / uk.. i dont expect scotland to be any different.

SirChenjin · 18/09/2014 16:29

But re-unification was something very different - we are voting to split up as opposed to coming together, with very little detail as to what that means for us in the long term.

Fontella · 18/09/2014 16:30

KidLorneRoll

Kid ... try forming a coherent argument for independence without the word 'Westminster' in it and without references to what 'Scottish people want' - because half of them don't want the same as you. You don't speak for the Scottish people, you speak for yourself.

If I saw one single, logical, sensible, well researched, well informed, economically sound ... argument for independence that would be one thing, but I have yet to see one. It's all fantasy land promises of a socialist utopia bankrolled by oil money and sitting at the top table with the big boys who are waiting with open arms to welcome the new Scotland.

It's bollocks kid - you've been sold a crock. The world's top economists have told you its a crock. The world's political leaders from Europe to the USA have told you it's a crock. But still you don't listen.

If Scotland goes, it goes and yes 'good luck' and all that. But .. it goes to complete independence and all of us who remain in the UK will put our interests first. That's how it is. It's not 'fuck off' it's just 'you take care of yours and we'll take care of ours' and we go our separate ways. Scotland is on its own. That's not being unkind - it's the truth, because you are on your own, and that is, after all, what you wanted. Independence.

Independence (noun)
Freedom from the control, influence, support, aid or the like, of others.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 16:30

An English person said that to you in a pub in Scotland?

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:30

In england.

SirChenjin · 18/09/2014 16:30

Which other countries have been part of the UK and have voted for independence. Did I miss something?!

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 16:31

Say if the shit did hit the fan in a big way, I cannot see how rUK can turn it's back on the large numbers of people that are likely to have voted against.

HaroldLloyd · 18/09/2014 16:31

Wow that would be some brave English person.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 16:32

Do you live in England?

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:33

Oh, I'm terribly sorry Fontella, that my reasons for voting are not acceptable to you. My apologies.

SirChenjin · 18/09/2014 16:33

But the rUK can turn their back and they will - we vote to stay or we vote to leave, end of. If it's a Yes we are on our own.

KidLorneRoll · 18/09/2014 16:34

No, I live in Scotland. I visit England.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 16:34

Fontella made some interesting and valid points and that's your reaction? Come on.

Fontella · 18/09/2014 16:35

Andy Murray

Would that be the millionaire Andy Murray who resides in a mansion in Walton-on-Thames?

'Let's do this Scotland' - yeah right on Andy! Hmm