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To feel sad that this could be the last day as a United Country?

226 replies

Loopylala7 · 18/09/2014 10:04

Anyone else?

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DamnBamboo · 18/09/2014 12:58

And I do think that this is worth pointing out. Quebec's economy did suffer - immensely. It has still not yet quite recovered

www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-16/scottish-independence-movement-learned-quebecs-failed-votes-separation

zippey · 18/09/2014 13:01

Dont be sad, we will still be the same country, the same people but a little more caring to people less off and a bit more welcoming to immigrants.

Farage and Salmond both have personalities, unlike the leaders of the other three major parties but they are not alike in their policies, totaqlly different.

Legionofboom · 18/09/2014 13:01

I have mixed feelings about it all. It doesn't really affect me in the same way as I don't live in the UK (though the implications of a yes vote on a later EU membership referendum might).

Having lived in Scotland for 5 years and experienced countless examples of anti-English feeling, I can't help but hope those that feel so hostile towards England get the independence they so want. But there is so much more to it than that I know.

rainbowinmyroom · 18/09/2014 13:03

Definitely would welcome immigration!

AndHarry · 18/09/2014 13:03

I hope it's a 'no' vote. I'm concerned about the growth of nationalism and polarised politics and the division and bitterness they're causing, not just in Scotland but throughout the UK and the rest of the Western world. We're spending more effort trying to score points against people who should be our friends than tackling inequality and threats to our security. I feel that we're in danger of turning so far in towards our own little tribes that we'll fracture our own society beyond repair.

So yes, I am scared and I am hoping for a 'no' from Scotland today. Whichever way it goes though, we need rapid change in this country to address social inequality and re-establish a sense of our purpose and identity.

Theherbofdeath · 18/09/2014 13:05

If Scotland goes the rest of us will be stuck with the Tory party for the foreseeable future. Please God don't do that to us. There are loads of advantages, for the Scots, in the current position, and they will get more freedom from Westminster than previously if they stay. And yes, I'd be gutted emotionally too.

DontDrinkAndFacebook · 18/09/2014 13:06

Could someone explain to me why an independent Scotland can expect more immigration? As an EU country and part of the UK surely you have plenty already? Confused

And why would you be 'a bit more welcoming' to immigrants? What am I missing?

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 13:11

It's ugly nationalism being promoted as pride in the yes campaign. Scotland is not a tolerant country regarding immigration and who are theh going to hate when the english are gone?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/09/2014 13:12

Total tosh mrsr

MindReader · 18/09/2014 13:12

I really hope it is a convincing result one way or t'other or it WILL fester.
If it is 'neck and neck' then 50% of the country I wake up in tomorrow will be upset. Sad

Whether it is Yes or No there will be change in Scotland that's for sure.
More powers from WM or complete control - either way offers change. It's the amount of change that differs.

It wont just affect us up in Scotland though.
A Yes will have big impact on the rest of the UK.
A No but more powers given to Scotland will also impact the UK.

MindReader · 18/09/2014 13:15

Education has been devolved in Scotland for a long time now.
The Legal system is also entirely separate.

I think it is about 40% of the budget that is being fought over?

TunipTheUnconquerable · 18/09/2014 13:16

The portion of the Scottish people who need someone to hate will still hate England, because when it comes to the division of assets, the English will bargain very very hard (to save face for Cameron) so if the newly independent Scotland fails economically it will be easy to pin it on the unfair settlement on separation.

HoraceGoesSkiing · 18/09/2014 13:20

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MrsCakesPrecognition · 18/09/2014 13:22

I'm wondering how the rUK cultural landscape will shift if there is a "yes" vote. Will there be a gradual decline in the number of Scottish accents on the BBC, fewer Scottish politicians in Westminster, fewer Scottish columnists and talking heads in the media? Will there be an upswell of Welsh and NI visibility with the Edinburgh Festival being relegated by festivals in Swansea or Derry. Just how different will rUK start to feel as the changesbed in over the next few years.

voluptuagoodshag · 18/09/2014 13:25

I've not read all the threads but I am a yes voter. I want the wee country I live in which was independent for centuries before the union of parliaments with the rest of the UK, to be independent once again because it will be more accountable to it's electorate.
I do not hate anyone but I dislike and distrust most politicians. It's easier to keep an eye on them when they are closer to home though. I am well educated, friendly and peace loving. I have made my own decisions based on my own research and never been swayed one way or t'other by a politician.
I hope that tomorrow dawns the start of something new, positive and good and if so, I would love the English, Welsh and N Irish to wish us well as they wave us goodbye. We are your friends and neighbours and always will be. Anyone who has enjoyed visiting Scotland, please call again as you will always be welcome. Remember the English team at the Commonwealth Games got one of the loudest cheers. That's what real Scotland is about. Not the rascist, mindless tiny minority that the media so like to portray. Do not hate 'yes' voters for tearing a nation asunder. I hope the other countries in rUK feel as motivated and enlivened by this democratic debate as I have done and if they feel unjustly treated by Westminster, then they too seize their democratic right in peace and make the necessary changes. #peace

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 18/09/2014 13:25

And we won't have a British Wimbledon champion in the men's singles in living memory :(

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2014 13:25

I'd have thought the English/Welsh/Northern Irish would 'bargain hard' because they're the representitives of the rest of us who didn't get a say ... it's their job to protect national interests. However, Scotland as a failing state would not be in our interests so I'd hope the divisions of assets and debts will be equitable.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 13:27

Well, thats okay then isnt it? How myopic, to declare a hatred all English people. And why wouldn't the present government strive for the best deal they can get? Thats what you would have voted for. Nasty and strange remark. Personally i dont need people to hate and splutter over.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 13:28

That was to turnip

AdmitYouKnowImRight · 18/09/2014 13:30

Lets hypothesise its a yes vote - does that mean we have to take in the 49% who voted no? We aren't obliged are we?

MaidOfStars · 18/09/2014 13:32

Won't newly independent Scots be able to choose to take a rUK passport? That would give them residency rights, no?

creampie · 18/09/2014 13:32

Are there any early indications from the polls?

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 13:33

As votes are secret,no,we are not obliged to.

mrsruffallo · 18/09/2014 13:34

I think we'll need stricter border controls!

onelastfling · 18/09/2014 13:34

If it's yes, I bet they will be REALLY strict re immigration and will have proper Border Control. Bit like Australia.

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