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To feel sad that this could be the last day as a United Country?

226 replies

Loopylala7 · 18/09/2014 10:04

Anyone else?

OP posts:
HesterShaw · 18/09/2014 11:32

I worry about Trident. Not that I think Scotland should have it either - I think we should ditch it. But where will it go?

They're talking about Cornwall :(

HesterShaw · 18/09/2014 11:32

And I just don't want them to go. I really do think we're Better Together.

onelastfling · 18/09/2014 11:33

Will they still have our Queen.
If so, why?
(why not make a clean break)

If you're gonna do a runner, you don't get to keep the best bits and discard the rest Angry

nemno · 18/09/2014 11:34

I will be sad if the Union breaks and I don't really know why. I doubt it will affect me and mine very much. But there is something sad about anything fracturing, it seems like failure, going backwards, giving up. The ideals the Scots aspire to are my ideals too. I'd rather we aspired together.

But a yes vote will be much more interesting as a spectator.

onelastfling · 18/09/2014 11:35

(I'm half Scottish by the way, mother's side) but don't live in Scotland but still feell sad/angry at what's happening.

Tinkerball · 18/09/2014 11:36

I'm sorry any sadness I might feel at this is wiped out by the stupid ignorant comments about resentment over free prescriptions. Can I spell it out that both Scotland and England have a health budget - The Scottish government as a devolved parliament choose to spend some of this on finding free prescriptions whilst Westminster do not of this out of their health budget, choosing instead to spend it more on things Scotland doesn't such as walk in centres. There - that's not too difficult to understand! And yet the same d guff comes out time and time again!

quietbatperson · 18/09/2014 11:36

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OnlyLovers · 18/09/2014 11:36

No, YANBU. I'm sad and scared too.

Tunip, it will be close, that's the problem. No way will it be a landslide. And I totally agree, it will just cause festering bad feeling, whichever way it goes.

I think the fact that it can be decided on such narrow margins is a massive mistake and deeply undemocratic; usually referendums on comparatively small issues of constitutional change require an absolute majority, and this is obviously a much bigger deal than that.

As someone else said, people can't just change their minds in four or five years' time.

onelastfling · 18/09/2014 11:37

At least it will all be over soon. Thank God.

Tinkerball · 18/09/2014 11:40

Oh and of course that d chestnut about England subsidising Scotland! Scots per head of population do get more under the Barnett formula.... But also put in more than enough to cover this, a fact that even was mentioned on ITN news the other night.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2014 11:40

YANBU. And actually I'm feeling a bit pissed that my country could be broken up without me having any say - it doesn't look totally like democracy from south of the border.

Tinkerball · 18/09/2014 11:40

And as for standing on our own two feet ..... Er that's kind of the point of Independence!

onelastfling · 18/09/2014 11:41

There's a lot of propaganda around. From ALL angles.
People believe what they want to believe.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/09/2014 11:43

Yes, if its yes, it means England will continue to still not subsidise Scottish prescriptions

ashmts · 18/09/2014 11:43

I don't think you can compare Salmond and Farage, look at their attitudes to the EU and immigration. 'I don't like the look of them' isn't really an argument.

Yes Scotland would still have the Queen afaik. As do Australia etc. And there is some debate over whether that's a 'best bit' or not.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/09/2014 11:43

And also if its no

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/09/2014 11:46

Can't believe all the patronising nonsense on this thread about subsidising Scotland and them "having to stand on own two feet".

inflated sense of self importance much?

EarthWindFire · 18/09/2014 11:46

YANBU. And actually I'm feeling a bit pissed that my country could be broken up without me having any say - it doesn't look totally like democracy from south of the border.

There are many feeling that way.

HesterShaw · 18/09/2014 11:52

Do people really think "the English subsidise Scottish (and Welsh) prescriptions"? Do they really not understand that the Scottish and Welsh governments decide how to spend a set amount of money, and that they have decided to spend it on prescriptions at the expense of something else.

RabbitsarenotHares · 18/09/2014 11:53

Something occurred to me this morning:

There are over 5.5 million people on the electoral register in Inner and Greater London combined. If they, and they alone, were given a vote regarding whether or not the UK should be broken up there would be justifiable outcry throughout the nations. Yet the decision today is in the hands of only 4 million.

Made me think, that did.

HesterShaw · 18/09/2014 11:55

The Barnet formula seems extremely unfair, particularly from a rural area of the SW where our children have far less spent per head on education for example, than children do in London.

However look at it from the point of view of say rubbish collection. Sending bin lorries down miles and miles of single track road to hamlets and farms costs more than it does down urban streets.

It's the inequalities within England itself which piss me off far more than the funding for Wales and Scotland.

PistolWhipped · 18/09/2014 11:55

I hate Dandelion and Burdock, too. Shite.

hellsbellsmelons · 18/09/2014 12:04

I shall be sad.
I love Scotland.
Spent many a holiday there.
I love the people.
Was proposed to in a gorgeous spot overlooking Ireland.
Had Purple Heather as my wedding song due to (Ex) OH ties there.

I too believe 'we are better together' (Not with the ex - just Scotland)

But what will be will be and there's not a single thing we can do about it.
Sad times Sad

HoraceGoesSkiing · 18/09/2014 12:07

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NinjaLeprechaun · 18/09/2014 12:11

I hope for goodness sake if it's 'yes' that David Cameron and Nick Clegg fight -
I found myself ever so slightly disappointed that this sentence didn't end, as I expected it to, "to the death".

I think it's time for me to step away from the intertubes.

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