indyref 14 - the one with the polling day

[StatisticallyChallenged]

Come on in, sit down, and chew your nails with us.

combust22 With respect, that works both ways. Yes, there are very, very prosperous parts of the South East, but there is also extreme deprivation, often in neighbouring wards.

Do people honestly think everywhere south of Watford is some millionaire's playground?? By all means, come down and I'll show you around.

I know a street in Kent where detached houses on one side sell for £400,000 plus, and on the other, 85% are HMOs housing people on benefits and migrants, where you would be lucky to get a quarter of that if you were allowed to sell. And that's just one example.

This is exactly my point - the various politicians on both sides, but particularly the Yes campaigners are doing a very, very good job of dividing the nation to cover up their own failings.

Have you heard any negative reports about welfare cuts this week? No, course not - the referendum has been the perfect smokescreen.

45% Yes
50% No
4% Undecided

Doubt it's that close.

It'll just be a rounding issue - e.g. the real results will be say 44.66, 49.67 and 5.67 or something of that ilk.

Hear hear chelsy.

My next door neighbours have just popped round after casting their votes.

They were adiment yes voters, posters and all.

Yesterday the posters and stickers came down, which I thought was strange.

It turns out they had changed their mind and voted no. The risk for them at the moment was to great.

Are you in Scotland WillowWoods? What do you think the true results are?

You have both been absolute stars and I hope you both stay on similar threads to help us through what's to come :) Please x

Bell rope and cradle maintenance Latte. I has to be done sometime when they're not in use for ceremonies.

lbsjob87 if you want to campaign for independance from Westminster be my guest.

Me too chelsy. And I for one am grateful for the solidarity. Whatever the result tomorrow, it will not reflect the yes presence on social media which has been overwhelming, sometimes aggressive and has made me feel isolated. Twitter is a great case in point - totally dominated by yes.

I sneakily admire them as they will have influenced hundreds of voters, and I wish that the nos had staged at least a little bit of a presence to even things out. I do think it will be fascinating to analyse all of this in the aftermath of the vote - I wouldn't be surprised if their optimism has been massively buoyed by their online presence.

I have certainly seen polls like kiltr's one on twitter putting support for yes at something like 95% with no ref to the fact that their sample is almost exclusively #voteyes twitter followers.

It's all a bit surreal.

Wow, earth. What a turn around!

90% turn out so far in local polling station.

That's a very very good turnout FannyFifer and is most pleasing.

I haven't been so vocal on here, mostly because SC was doing such a sterling job explaining the economic side of things. On FB however I have been very vocal. I wasn't at first but the sheer deluge of Yes propaganda, rhetoric and misinformation really troubled me, so I felt I had a duty as a financially literate person to speak up. Not sure it's done that much good, but if Yes wins and I had kept quiet I would have always regretted not doing so.

Oh yes let him stay up, he's made a fabulous argument. What's the chance of him staying awake for the whole thing anyway? It will be boring repeated speculation by politicians and commentators inbetween the results. Stick his pillow and duvet on the sofa or living room floor.

Does nobody want to stay with us because they like us as a nation, as opposed to our bigger economy, etc?

DH is from Devon and I went to uni there and lived there for a couple of years. So we feel a very British family with our own union. Even before that, despite having two Scottish parents, I've always had some family in England, and now I have In Laws too, and my sister has moved to London.

I see us as one country. I have a great affection for anywhere I've visited in the UK, and several places I haven't. I feel that London is my capital as much as Edinburgh and I loved supporting Team GB at the Olympics, and when it came to the commonwealth games, I cheered for the successes of all the home nations.

If the fiscal case for independence was sound, or at least if it sounded like more than wishful thinking, I'd be less afraid of a Yes vote. But I'd still vote no. I love being part of the UK. I visited family and friends in Devon and London last month and I loved it and felt so sad that people are willing to give up being part of the same country as those places, with those people. I don't think they've really thought about what there is to lose, they say glibly that it'll all still be there. Yes. But it won't be ours any more.

Wow, earth. What a turn around!

Yep. If I hadn't been sitting down I may have fallen.

See I've been on a couple of threads, not hugely I suppose - because I do want to hear from both sides, whether I agree with someone or not depends on what they're saying, not what they're voting.

I might not come to the same conclusion as someone else, but that doesn't mean I discounted their opinion or information.

Mostly I want people to be engaged and to vote, even if that's not the same way I'd vote.

lbsjob, I appreciate your post. There are some people who seem to think that Scotland and the North have the monopoly on deprivation!

AIBU to tell DS aged 9 that he cannot stay up all night to see what happens, even if, in his words, it might be the most significant british constitutional event in his lifetime?

YWBU. He sounds fab, let him stay up till he nods off!

Now for the second most critical question of the night as it's only 40 minutes until whisky opening time.

Do I have to prepare myself for JB running the show for BBC Scotland?

Earth that's exactly what I did. Went round last night taking the signs down. I had an epiphany after niggling doubts from the start of the campaign.

combust22 Funny you should say that.......
There is a tongue-in-cheek campaign to do that, but although I've often joked about it, but would never actually support it. I personally would rather try to change the system than try to find a new one that may turn out to be the same, but that's me.
My point was that this is dividing a nation, perhaps literally, and no-one seems to have a valid argument on either side. Or at least, that's how it's been reported.

90%... marvellous!

These threads have been good for me too, its been hard to speak with anyone outwith my family about how I intend to vote, as there are so many 'yes' voters out there ready to bite your head off if you aren't one of them.

But more and more 'no' voters seem to be making themselves heard. All my family and DH's family are 'no', many of my friends are 'no', I've seen quite a number of 'no thanks' badges on people.

I really hope the result shows there are more of them than what we see publicly.

I'm about to pour a glass of wine, think I will neck a glass before La Bird shows us her plumes.