indyref 14 - the one with the polling day

[StatisticallyChallenged]

Come on in, sit down, and chew your nails with us.

I've been reading these threads with interest as I'm on the fence about it all. I live in England and therefore can't vote but my overriding thought has always been that I can't see how you can choose Yes when there's so many a answered questions.

My chin has hit the floor at daughterdilemas comment Other things come first - you can't fuss about something you don't know about

I genuinely can't comprehend that it's considered 'fussing' to wonder about such basic things as what currency will be used in iScotland.

The Yes campaign just seems like a cult that has brainwashed it's followers and repeatedly says that anyone who points out flaws in the plans, or just the lack of plans, is 'scaremongering' and 'bullying' in order to deflect attention from the actual question.

It's truly frightening.

I don't think Scottish independence is a bad thing in principle but surely you'd what to have a clearer vision of how it would look before you take the leap?

Instinct tells me No is the right choice because it's outcome is pretty much known, but I do think the best outcome might actually be Yes now though as I just can't see how harmony will be restored when nearly half the population don't want a union.

I just saw a picture of a column of monks filing into a polling station?
I had an aunt who was a nun and she made it into the paper (Sueddeutsche Zeitung, not some local rag) once queuing to cast her vote in some election.

Stupid question but I have never voted in the UK before (can't vote for WM anyway) do I need to take some form of ID other than the polling card?

In the current economic climate "staying safe" sounds like a good option to me.

Wildthong staying safe politically gets you London rule. London rule has been notoriously unsafe recently, and has brought the whole UK to its knees with absurd economic policy which has resulted in ALL of us being in debt to the Trillions. That's not safe at all.

Political stability ironically has brought the Scots nothing but debt and house price inflation, unemployment and call centres instead of industry.

Haha no!
He had a good point though. My hope is that the referendum has inspired people and developed talent in politics - young politicians who don't compromise their integrity to toe the party the line.

igne You don't even need the polling card. It just makes it quicker. No ID needed.

Thanks grouchykiwi love the nickname btw, dp is a grouchy kiwi

Political stability ironically has brought the Scots nothing but debt and house price inflation, unemployment and call centres instead of industry.

Well how is this going to change exactly in an independent Scotland then?

I'm sure many will disagree with your 'call centre' analogy.

I think what upsets me the most about this is no-one on the yes side (that i've seen) seems to understand that to many no voters being apart of Britain is something that we are proud of and that we are going to be upset that if the vote goes yes way we will no longer live in Britain.

Just because I love Britain it does not make me any less Scottish, I was born here and have very strong roots here, as well as in England, but when asked I always say British. We as a whole have achieved so much over many years, taking strengths from all four nations to be great but I will say i am no differrent, no more important or somehow more deserving than someone in England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

I can not get my head round saying Westminster is bad (yes it has many faults) lets jump ship and look after ourselves and never mind ruk.

Of course thats not my only reason for voting no but it is my top one. Brittish and damn proud to be

It has taken me an age to type this (boys running in and out the house) I just hope we are still on thread 14 lol

I say the monks will go for unity.

daughter once again you didn't respond to my full post. Ok to let poor people starve as long as they aren't scottish?

I don't give a fig if my government is in England. Austerity is difficult, not denying it, but the recession was world wide not just in the UK. The economy is growing slowly at the moment, I'm sure I read that the UK is responding better than many other nations affected. Employment is up (announced yesterday). If this referendum has achieved anything it has raised political awareness in a previously uninterested electorate. I truly believe that the UK will now be changed for the better because we can work together to achieve it.

This referendum is nothing to do with business, economics or finance, it is about democracy, royalty, loyalty, history and governance. If people only see things through the pennies in their pocket anything that is not finance related will wither. All the innovation, education, voluntary work, decent services count for nothing if all we care about is money.

I don't k ow where to even start with this!!!

So those who don't want I dependence aren't loyal now either...

DaughtersDilemma .... "London Rule" by whom, the party that left office in 1997, or the party that shares the same 'values' as the SNP and passed on a over spent train crash? And now.....

www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-17/u-k-economy-ready-for-battle-as-scots-suspense-masks-resilience.html

I'm just on my way home now. Stopping off at the polling station en route. I feel nervous and I don't know why! My minds made up and I don't plan to change my vote.

Fibtomum, I feel just like you. One good thing about all this is a lot of people saying 'I quite like being part of the UK' instead of the normal anti English sentiment usually expressed.

Call centres? Blimey where I live there is thriving industry of all sorts. It's fascinating to see.

I feel very affronted that the Yes campaign somehow spins No as not positive. There is so much fantastic stuff going on and even more to come in the future. How did they manage this? Because if you listen to the campaign message it is one of the most negative things I have ever heard. How did they persuade people to be so negative about themselves and essentially put themselves down and get them to buy into it? This hardworking, industrious, creative and innovative nation all of a sudden seemed to hate itself and blame everyone else.

I am appalled when I think about it but it was very cleverly done.

On a 'no' vote, the rest of the UK has to ensure that Scottish 'Independence at any cost', does not expose the rest of us so much, next time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2180124-Scotland-can-NOT-keep-the-Pound-does-Scotland-England-France

I just wanted to say that I agree with your post FibroMum. Couldn't have said it better myself :-)

*AnnieHoo .... re your friend "He's 28 and didn't vote before because he didn't see the point, couldn't relate to any party and heard the same words coming from all parties."

No doubt those words, handed down generation to generation, were 'it's all the Conservatives fault'. lol*

Probably not, isitmebut. Any smart first year in Modern Studies can work out that, having the voting system explained to them, voters from Scotland as a populace make up a pitifully small fraction of the electorate.

I'm also 28. I was brought up in a vehemently anti-Conservative family (grandfather was a miner) but my parents would bash me round the head if I said I wasn't voting because the Conservatives always win. They told me to help get the fuckers out!

I have only not voted once in my life Corey and that was unavoidable due to circumstances so the idea of not voting would appall me. I will confess however that I have not been as active in local and national politics as I should have been and that is I think something that many people will have been feeling throughout this campaign and will surely change after the referendum.

Posted it on the other thread by mistake but.......After all the chat of Murdoch will he, won't he endorse Yes, I notice the Scottish Sun have a cheeky front page on today's issue. A picture of Prince Harry and his on/off girlfriend with the headline 'Better Together'.

I understand, OneNight - I'm the same, I once couldn't vote due to circumstances beyond my control.

But I take a pretty low view of the suggestion that young Scots may not vote just because their parents passed down apathy. That's unfair on both parents and the younger generation.

Have they, oh that is clever

CoreyTrevori ..... FYI the dodgy electoral boundaries mean a Conservative popular vote of 36% gives them a 20 seat MINORITY and a Labour 35% gives them over 60-seat MAJORITY - as all Labour needs is 31% of the vote to form the next government, don't sweat.

But why is it that in 1979 and 2010 the country was on it's knees and no socialist party that only knows how to spend money we have not got, had the FIRST clue how to sort it out handing over a £157 bil deficit????

Daughterdilemma the reason our government is very indebted is due in a large part to bailing out the banks in 2008 of which two, hbos and rbs are scottish. The alternative of letting the banks run out of cash would have been an economic disaster, resulting in a economic depression not seen since the 1930s. That and the spending by our last Scottish chancellor/ pm ;)

Never thought I'd say well done to the Sun, but well done to the Sun for giving us a break from it all