To be really annoyed with the debate today on Loose Women?

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Firstly, let me say, I do NOT watch this shite usually, I flicked it on as background noise this afternoon but was caught by the debate they were having, namely Domestic Abuse.

The whole debate was centred around the basis of the woman being the victim and the man, the perpetrator. They had a guest speaker on, I think she was affiliated with the refuge system in some way, very anti-men, and brought up these statistics about 95% of perpetrators being male etc.

This makes me so angry. The only reason the statistic is so unbalanced is because men don't come forward as often as women probably do.

I am aware of womens refuge's, but are there any for men?

I think far too much emphasis is placed on the male in these cases and is much too overlooked

Just my opinion, rant over.

Whisk I think the law needs to change to stop parents walking away. A legal responsibility and duty to the children until they are 18. That would mean though a 50/50 share in decisions and where practical shared residency by default.

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wadda guy

Tom, are your children pay per view then?

Op, how about leaving some wee humphy faces for the rest of us to use?

Civil Disobedience AF. I am sure Mandela, Gandi and Martin Luther King would approve of my struggle

Tom - so you are proud that your children may be going without essentials such as: shoes, food, school uniforms, as long as you are sticking it to their mother by paying almost nothing in CS? And you admit this, in public, in front of other human beings?

Damn all those feminists going round killing women to prove a point ...oh wait ..not feminists ...men - my bad

It is a policy of civil disobedience

Have to disagree with you there, poor dead Tom. It's neglect of your children. You know the ones that need a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, heat, light etc etc.

But then what's a wee bit of financial abuse to a man like you. And yet you claim to feel that you have been killed by a lack of contact.

Considering this thread is discussing DV women clearly account for a larger number of the victims with the abuser being male. However either sex in a DV situation need protection.

If you wish to know who is the more violent of the sexes that would be men.

Come on Tom I answered your question so you answer mine. Where are the stats you gain all of your info from?

Oh and it's FLOSSY but I know you have trouble understanding the written word so I will not mention it.

That would mean though a 50/50 share in decisions and where practical shared residency by default.

How would that work in my case when my ex works away Mon-Fri. Would he take the children out of town with him?

Poor deluded dead Tom.

Tom, you compare yourself to those men ? Wow.

I wish I was sure that someone hadn't had esteem low enough to have children with TomLondon. Whose children can be fed on nothing as part of a civil disobedience. I didn't read the bit in History where Gandhi and Luther King advocated disadvantaging children.

I dunno, I'd maybe give him that bastard Ghandi but not so much the other two.

There is support for men, it's called Mankind, there is an LGBT helpline too, Broken Rainbow I think. When I worked for a charity supporting women survivors we were contacted by men who had been abused too and supported them to find help.
Violence and abuse against women is part of a wider social problem about how we value women which means that abusive men have plenty of back up for their faulty belief systems. Violence and abuse against men happens of course but it is not as common. Strongly believe that anybody who is abused should be able to access advice, information and a safe place if needed. Whatever their sex/ gender. But the "men get Abused too" line is so often used to try to silence those speaking out about VAWG that it gets bit tiresome!

My source as ever is the great feminist Warren Farrell who advises the White House on gender issues and headed up the White House council on women and girls.

He is the strongest voice out there today for gender equality for all

I fell of my bed when you compared yourself to Madiba and MLK.

Am I the only one who remembers when MLK said, 'I have a dream, that one day every child will go without shoes because their father is an arsehole with delusions of grandeur'? I'm sure he said something like that ...

Actually Nelson Mandela set up child support grants and charitable Children's Fund, so concerned was he with the issue of child poverty. I doubt he'd be too enamoured with you Tom.

Warren Farrell - the creepy incest dude?

We all have a common cause which is to fight the worst injustices in our societies. 200 fathers a day are removed from their childrens lives. The feminist movement actively support this.

Saskia that would be a feminist slur against his good name. If you cannot debate then typically you try to rubbish a mans name with allegations of abuse.

G away Tom, you're fucking weird.

I consider myself a feminist and I don't support removing men from their children's lives unless they're abusive arseholes or they have no intention of paying for maintenance like you

Warren Farrell who calls men paying on dates 'male date rape?' That one?