To fear the outcome of Indyref?

[thehajduk]

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

I completely disagree that we have to base our decision on what will be better economically for Scotland. When did economics become the one deciding factor in how we plan our society?

Ed Milliband talks like a creature comforts turtle.

I can't take him seriously.

We're expected to quake in fear over the economy, I hate the fact we're dictated to by money that doesn't even exist.

Betty umm, there are 5 million people in Scotland. Businesses make lots of profit out of us every day, they aren't going to stop sling us stuff just because there is independence.

See my spelling has all gone to pot!. selling

well, to be fair Iggy, in the 18th century, when Adam Smith worked out it was quite important in making everyone better off.

Harold yes! Yes! That's who it is! I've been racking my brain trying to figure out who he reminded me of!

I'll post this Herald editorial again as it pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

We can't eradicate poverty unless the economics are in place and Independence will make that worse rather than better.

I am also terrified of a yes majority on Thur/Fri as its utter financial lunacy.

It's turn on and turn offable.

True, Bright, if you want to go down the money route, people will sell anything to anyone who has the money to buy it and buy anything someone has to sell if the price suits them.

Scotland has resources to sell. I haven't seen a nation yet with something to flog that someone wants go unrecognised yet, even when America declared independence.

Oh by the way, for whoever asked. I fully expect that Independence will lead to some turbulent years for Scotland financially and otherwise.

I'm doing it anyway.

There is always a price for change. I'm willing to pay it.

I think if we all went back to 2006 and were told what would happen in 2008/2009, then we could properly quake in fear.

Now they're (BT) peddling to us that we're better off sticking with Westminster. Do they think we're all on glue?

The economy shouldn't be the only basis for decision making. But it also shouldn't be ignored, especially for those who are voting Yes on the basis of some of the promises made in the White Paper and during campaigning which are of a monetary nature. That's not all Yes voters - some are Yes for other reasons.

Team I thought a lot of Yes voters would believe 110% was a thing - after all they believe the nonsense AS spouts with the equally dodgy maths
Bright You might be tired of arguing - but no-one on the Yes side has convinced me ..not sure the No side have completely convinced me either - but for a Yes vote I NEED to be completely convinced and after all my reading and listening I'm not.
The white paper was a wish list, nonsense about Scotland COULD be a leading renewal energy supplier but no details of how that was to be practically achieved...independence might be a dream but I think the reality will be a nightmare...

iggy999 if you don't feel like basing the decision on what's economically better for Scotland what do you suggest? Century old history?

Just watched Salmond on the telly. He said a lot of words, but there wasn't a terrible amount of substance. They are all the same though I suppose.

We're Scottish TS it's quite likely we're on glue or bucky, depending on the time.

True, Rita, so true.

A potential Yes vote is an unpopular prospect for businesses who operate across the UK as at the very least they'll incur administrative costs to operate across two countries such as having to set up different payrolls to pay different rates of tax for Scottish employees vs. the rest of the UK, retailers potentially having to work with different rates of VAT on their products, financial services companies having to work to satisfy different legislation in different countries etc. However it's not exactly a new prospect for many companies who already operate outside the UK, the major employers in Scotland such as the financial services companies and retailers already have experience of operating in countries outside of the UK and it is well within their ability to treat their offices and outlets in Scotland as foreign operations. For the bigger employers the cost of making large numbers of people redundant and/or relocating people and recruiting their replacements would be huge.

Who is to say that a government in an independent Scotland wouldn't make it a more attractive place to run your business from financially? Also, it might not be a popular opinion but I genuinely wouldn't mind paying more tax if it meant that we had better services and more support for those in need of it.

im just bothered about the fact power prices will shoot up and Scotland will have zilch for income since they cant use pound sterling once their on their own unless they have their own income stashed away somewhere

The economic aspects of Independence shouldn't be the sole reason, but it's so very important. And the reason I mentioned it initially was the post near the beginning of the thread saying they're voting yes to stop poverty in Scotland. Well....poverty won't vanish because go Independence. Indeed, financial hardship for everyone is more than likely, making poverty worse.

Bettyflour - the history of it isn't so significant to me, I'm not Scottish born. I don't believe being better off has to mean being better off economically. Perhaps we could base it on our shared values (could start by having another look at that mace).

Unlucky

Firstly you do know Our First Minister used to work as a corporate economist? You might not personally agree with his view but I'm pretty sure he can add up

Secondly, I do understand why the lack if certainty is frightening. I would never criticise you for wanting security. But there isn't any security in remaining with the UK either. The rise of UKIP and a promised in/out Referendum means there is no certainty inherent in saying 'no' either. We can't predict how the economy will go regardless of the outcome this week.

Looking forward at the economy is always, always guess work. It's frustrating that people are suggesting that if we stay with the UK that we will be safe from the slings and arrows if what ever outrageous fortune throws at us. We won't.

Voting for change is always scary, there will always be uncertainty.

"the fear O hell's a hangman's whip to haud the wretch to order"

I don't actually doubt that Eck can add up - although he did comment yesterday that a teacher did a good job getting him through Higher maths. I have no doubt whatsoever that he knows the numbers of this are crap. I just don't think he cares - he's spent his entire adult like pretty much trying to get independence.

Having done a hell of a lot of analysis I think the economics of Yes are worse than those of No and by quite a long way.

Bright Are you an Alex fan? It's ok, you're safe here, you can confess!