Indyref 12 - keeping the ball rolling

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Hope everyone doesn't mind, I'm to keep the discussion going. As you were folks :)

Funnily enough, given everything that is now being promised to Scotland if there's a NO vote, I might have to move up

The more the merrier

Yeah. I don't think the Record has explicitly stated they are pro union but I think it's clear from their front pages/editorials that they are.

I would like to see the back of that man.

I think it's just the Sunday Herald that is Yes.

Herald
Scotsman
Guardian

are all No.

Herald were very nearly yes

I think the Sunday Herald is the only Scottish paper out for Yes. The Herald is a qualified no (as in no..but this is your last chance), which surprised me.

cedric I wouldn't put too much faith in what the Mail says

BakerStreet sorry if this is obvious from previous comments I've missed, but you are being sarcastic aren't you?

Gordon Brown was heavily involved in bringing the UK to its knees, and I say that as someone who is not at all right wing or bringing a political agenda. If he ended up running Scotland I would be terrified for you.

Telegraph too , although no surprise there.

What would be interesting but they are unlikely to declare would be The Press & Journal.

I wonder if The Orcadian and The Shetland Times have said anything. I did see an article a while back in The Orcadian saying Alex was just offering bribes.

Statistically - yes they have gone off piste with this, I expect it will cost them dearly in the polls, although Cameron was probably gone due to the vote on Thursday anyway, clegg can't be trusted and ed milliband has to be replaced if labour want a shout. Maybe they are prime lambs to the slaughter.

The Shetland Times is out as a No I believe from Twitter. So is the Post I think.

I have mixed feelings about Gordon Brown. But then look who's in charge at the moment.

I think Clegg is dead and buried - as soon as the coalition ends his own party will kick hiss sorry arse out. If he makes it that long - next party conference?! I think Cameron and Miliband might depend a little more on the outcome of the referendum - I'd say they're both a gonner if it's a Yes.

Yes I agree. Cameron though's coat's on a shugeley peg over this referendum, Milliband may be luckier but he is going to struggle to engage the nation....

Livingzuid unfortunately the pollsters are independent.

I do think it is interesting though that we are all hanging on for a front page for the Scottish sun. And waiting with baited breath to hear what the daily mail editorial has to say.

They must be loving this power...

Whatever that nation is......

Gordon Brown can't run a whelk stall. But he can analyse and commentate. Very clever people can't always translate their brilliance into management.

Alex Salmond is a marketing man. He can sell a vision but can't deliver.

Wish both sides were run by more rounded people.

Alex Salmond on tv tonight again dodging questions about currency union and risks of independence. Remove the "d" from his surname and you have something slippery and tricky to catch.

Yes The Sunday Post is a No. Bless . I bought a copy on Sunday, hadn't read it in decades. They had an 8 page supplement analysing the pros and cons of all the issues. Actually pretty well done.

Whatever has happened in the past, I think right now Gordon Brown is the only one speaking honestly and sensibly.

I though Alex actually did ok....he can't answer the currency issue because he isn't in a position to do so, but he can negotiate that , so he is happy to deflect. I've not been a fan, and won't turn into one, but he was more conversational and relaxed than Gordon.
To be fair to him - he may have been holding the fiddle when the country burned but it wasn't all his fault.

Agreed on the Grovel. I don't respect the way either campaign has been run -too many fibs, exaggerations, fact twists, cherry picks and lies on both sides. As they like to remind us this isn't a normal election - so stop treating it like a partisan fight. The politicians should have been giving us as much clear information and analysis as possible so that the decision we made was as good as possible. Instead they've engaged in a giant pissing contest.

Temporary, I'm not one of the people who believe that Gordon Brown himself caused a 7 year global financial crash, so no.

I do think there were mistakes made, don't get me wrong, but I think he was a better chancellor than most.

I wouldn't trust Alex Salmond to run a bath.

'Alex ... can't answer the currency issue because he isn't in a position to do so,... '

And people still vote Yes!! Words fail me.

I have enjoyed catching up on the threads. I have to say it is a massive relief to be geographically some distance from it all.

In reference to the Nuremberg comments - that was from colleagues although I have drawn the same parallel myself - towards the campaign, not individuals in it. There are good reasons for this I believe. The branding is very loud and in your face and perfectly uniform. It is designed to be so much brighter and positive than anything else. To me there is a symbolism in the use of the word Yes, as some sort of clear call to action. Which the campaign has very clearly messaged - and well. The targeting of more disadvantaged communities, the scapegoating of another, easy target really, to cleverly deflect attention away from the many shortcomings and inconsistencies of their message, one source for all the material a voter needs and is not to be questioned, very prominent everywhere with supporters etc like gangs I have felt sometimes, permanently having that message out there. Aggressive pushing of that message which crosses over to bullying, defacing of opposition materials, oppression of people to ensure they vote Yes, I could go on.

If you took one, two or even three of these in isolation then it would just be twatty behaviour. Put it all together and it is something far more sinister. That's just my view. But I find it very scary and I want no part in a country founded on those terms.

Whatever has happened in the past, I think right now Gordon Brown is the only one speaking honestly and sensibly.

My brother in law said the same tonight.