Indyref 11. The home of good manners

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That's not the case and you know it. So which bank has told him, without a doubt, has losing his job?

For me the biggest issue in this whole referendum is that secession as it is currently set out by the SNP would not have the support of the overwhelming majority of people living in Scotland.

I wonder how any man of integrity could have bulldozed his party ahead in the face of that? It would be no way to start a nation.

They are more democratic,' she said, later brandishing those voting to stay in the UK in Thursday's vote as 'frightened and stupid'.

Well apart from the "stupid" comment she's just repeating what many yes supporters on here have said - no voters are selfish and feart.

I'm only patronising you if you want to be patronised. Scotland's independence is a bigger issue than whether you have to move house or not.

That is the case.

(widening inequality, democratic deficit, not being able to make our own decisions)

So why didn't Salmond use the powers he has and why did he give powers back ?

I'm only patronising you if you want to be patronised. Scotland's independence is a bigger issue than whether you have to move house or not.

You were being patronising and you are trying to put the blame on me.

And yes, it is. I've written many, many posts about that.

Thered

Obviously the thread moved on while I was posting my last screed! I am one Yes voter, I AM very concerned about routinely armed police, I cannot speak for every other Yes voter in the country.

Perhaps in the next 2 decades an SNP government will try for another referendum if Scotland doesn't get independence this time. BUT it won't be AS or NS in charge. They will be gone from frontline politics by then. Any request would have to go past WM. I don't see it happening in my natural life-time.

Sorry no idea what my last post was meant to be!

TeamScotland

In the industry I work in people move all round the world to stay in work

Exactly - in the industry you work in. The industry & job you chose. Other people did not choose their jobs with that as 'part of the deal' nor set up their lives to live that way. HUGE difference.

No voters don't have the monopoly ob feeling disenfranchised.

Cameron will be left to rule Scotland knowing half want out.

Where exactly have I been patronising?

Absolutely, Basketz. Call Me Dave denied the Devo Max option, which I think would have significantly dented a Yes vote

latte eh?

Sun 14-Sep-14 22:33:48, with your sanctimonious career advice.

Rita 'a pity party' - Seriously?

If it goes Yes and some folk need to leave re jobs or want to leave as they feel unwelcome, and cant due to property prices being affected / jobs / moving away from separated ex's and needing access to children

• these are all things keeping some folk awake at night atm.

Have some respect for that, even if you don't agree with it, please.

Same Lattelover, the role/profession I chose is one which seemed fairly stable and not likely to require relocation anytime soon. Some people chose industries or professions where that's part of the deal. I certainly did not.

Basketz

But it would allow time for people to work together to achieve it. That is simply not being allowed here and instead the whole current process is setting up deep and bitter divisions within the community which will be difficult to heal. (And probable economic chaos which will make any process of reconciliation impossible.)

Refusing devomax has pushed us into this divisive state we're in.

Divide and conquer dave.

Basket Salmond isn't bothered at all about arming the police , neither is Nicola. My husband wrote to a number of MSPs . Thoughtful responses from all except Salmond and Nicola. Salmond got a pa to send "I know best letter mark 27" Nicola didn't reply.

The official SNP stance is it is an operational matter not a political one.

How many of us would have gone for DevoMax rather than yes it no, I wonder?

Scone - you might not realise it as you have just come into the conversation, but you have taken my quote out of context.

These are real people, with real fears for what will happen to their jobs, marriages, homes & futures should we end up with a 'yes' majority

That was directly to TeamScotland who is accusing posters of being Drama Queens when they have posted their actual worries. Worries that they have good reason to have due to the nature of their or their DH's specific jobs - not just in general.

Rita right, you say you "cannot support such rabid individualism" yeah?

Well that's a reason to vote No. We must work together with the people of Belfast, Middlesborough, Wigan, Cardiff, Brighton and the whole of the developing European Union. In unity rather than turning our backs simply because we feel beaten in times of austerity.

So why didn't Salmond use the powers he has and why did he give powers back ?

This is a referendum about independence. There is a difference between devolution - no matter how much devolution - and independence. With devolution, you get the powers someone else wants to give you. With independence, all the powers are yours and you make all your own decisions, not just the ones you are allowed to make by someone else.