Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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dementedma rUK government would have to intervene and face the wrath of their electorate. That concerns me. It would be destabilising to rUK.

OneNight yes I know but I've also got the impression that they feel Westminster being so distant is as likely to be fair to them as it will to any other part whereas Holyrood will placate the Western Isles/Highland/ Central Belt before them.

E.g subsidised ferries for the Western Isles but not the Northern Isles.

Indeed. And no central belt politicians feel any sympathy for any concernd from Shetlanders simply because they have their oil money.

You know what? The hypocrisy on this thread, so pissed off with the BS from salmond & his dangerous lies, is astounding. Those so faithful to facts & 'independent views' have managed to guess & speculate on the stance of AAM without any reference whatsoever to any fact or evidence to support their speculation. That's some feat in the space of a couple of posts. Bonnie Greer was right in what she said last night - why is this one view opposing the majority not being delved into in more detail? Why is there a need for the idle speculation when there are no facts to either explain their view or debunk their position?

One linked story to them being fined by the FCA when just a few googles on RBS/Lloyd's/Standard life, to name just a few of the opponents to the yes vote, show there are very few involved on the opposite side are without blemish/fines from the FCA.

What has been spectacularly absent from this debate for the past 2 years, on both sides, is any sober, rational, measured discussion on the key issues. Plenty of smoke & mirrors, though. And hysteria. Cris is right to ask for the rhetoric to be toned down, it's really unhelpful.

bardar but how could rUK forces intervene? Assuming there was either massive civil unrest or a threat from a third party aggressor, it is up to the independent country to defend itself. Or a NATO peace keeping force,but we don't know is Scotland will be in NATO or under what terms. I can't see rUK soldiers, sailors or airmen being in any great hurry to defend a break away Scotland other than to defend the rest of the UK borders now at risk. Scottish serving military personnel are going to be totally conflicted in wanting to defend their country but actually serving in a foreign army/navy/airforce. I think I posted earlier, or on another thread, that word of mouth comment made directly to me from very senior ranking officer just this week was " None of this has been discussed yet. It will all have to be negotiated."

As someone who is English (well a mixture, Welsh, Scottish, Irish and a smidge of German) it just seems so strange and very sad they you have managed to divide your nation. Hoping for a no but even if a yes and it goes wrong I have no doubt the blame will be still placed on Westminster ( or the English) by some. I do think that there our positives and I thank Scotland for awakening politicians to the power people can have I just hope in a weeks time not too much damage is caused and hopefully devo max can go someway to create a common ground for both sides in the event of a no vote.

tension - the clue is in the AAM name and from where Salmond hails.

It really is that bad.

All the other independent economists, banks, insurance giants, shops and businesses are just idiots, clearly. Is the yes vote now so blinkered they are happy to ignore all this evidence.

I am not sure I can share this country with such blinkered fools even if it doesn't go through. We are now entering the realm of crass stupidity. We are the laughing stock of the world (bar that outwardly thinking nation, Korea).

I'm pretty sure if for example Irish Republic was threatened we'd offer help and it would be accepted. (The one thing G Osborne did right was to help RoI during crash.)

I feel rUK would ahve to help iScotland whatever. It would going to be politically unpopular with rUK voters though.

I have to ask yes voters - do you all genuinely believe that every single person who comes out and says the effects of independence will be negative is just full of crap sent by WM to scare you? Do you think there is no element of truth to the fact that food prices might rise now that economies of scale can't be applied when dealing with two countries? That investors are moving their money away from an economy that could prove to very unstable in the next few years, possibly even more? That rUK wont actually bow down before AS and all his demands because it will focus on serving its own interests best?

Cross post with Rooners

barda I think rUK will just sit back and and watch tbh. They will be happy the Welsh and N Irish are watching thinking "thank hell that isn't us"

Investors are already off. £17 million already. Here is your practice run yes voters.

They are not scaremongering - they have decided. What MORE do you need?

I'm going to have to drop out this thread. I am in absolute despair at half my fellow Scots right now. Makes me question the education in schools. Are people taught economics, history, modern studies any more?

Fools, damn fools. The only saving grace is that they can't say they were not told.

Billion FFS. £17 billion..... Gone

Apparently Rupert Murdoch is in Aberdeen today, preparing to come out with his support for Yes?

5 pages already! I only nipped into town this morning to blether and pick up the atmosphere!!All people were being civil and it was enjoyable having a bit banter with Yes Scotland stand volunteers.

Better Together stand was very quiet, one volunteer saw me with my Yes badge on and thought better than hand me a leaflet he just said 'will save you the recycling' then smiled and I smiled back at him. All civil, see! :)

Yes Scotland stand was heaving, lots of interested people. What you're seeing in the streets somehow doesn't add up with the polls though, which is strange. Someone I spoke to today said the same thing.

Yes Scotland stand was heaving, lots of interested people. What you're seeing in the streets somehow doesn't add up with the polls though, which is strange. Someone I spoke to today said the same thing.

IMO it us because people will you actually what they will do in a poll as it us anonymous, rather than on a stand, in the street which isn't

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Murdoch and the libertarian MNer who used to own an island - both all for independence. It sure makes you wonder..

Rupert Murdoch, he's a stand up guy! And isn't at all pissed at WM after the phone hacking.

Yep, it's all about his revenge on WM. Wish the old toad would croak off.

New survation poll puts no ahead at 54% and yes 46%. Perhaps the gap is widening now. Although how we extrapolate that to 4million and get the right answer I don't know.

Rooners......where did you get the 17billion from? I have just read that there has been a significant outflow if cash from the uk in July and August but that is more likely to do with the recovering economy meaning bond prices are likely to fall. (Whatever that means )

What you're seeing in the streets somehow doesn't add up with the polls though, which is strange. Someone I spoke to today said the same thing.

I hope you're not implying that the result will be fixed.

How is standing talking to a stranger in the street, who knows nothing about you, less anonymous than talking to a stranger on the phone/at your door, who knows your name, address and phone number?

I had a great chat with some yes campaigners yesterday but as they didn't actually ask my opinion they may think the smiley woman on the high street is a yesser!