Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

999 replies

WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

All welcome

OP posts:
Thread gallery
8
prettybird · 14/09/2014 14:59

Chelsyhandy : you are not doing the No movement any favours by implying that Yes voters are sociopaths.

If I have misread what you have written (am on iPod so did difficult for me to reread), then I apologise.

I have tried not to generalise may not always have succeeded Wink - but that really is a generalisation too far HmmAngry

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 14:59

I'm not going to sit here and let you're ramblings go on and completely misrepresent what I have said.

And all other no supporters seem quite happy to let this go on?

Anyone that's read chelsy's grossly inaccurate slurs on my character care to do the hard work for her?

OneNight · 14/09/2014 14:59

Yes - that's a concern to me even though I recognise the exigencies of campaigning. I would have thought that people should ever have it in the forefront of their minds these days.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 14/09/2014 14:59

Can anyone else has all the horns?!? What is going on???

ChelsyHandy · 14/09/2014 14:59

FannyFifer you and your cohort don't like me because I'm the one poster than can really get to you, where it hurts. So you try to single out and isolate your victim. You don't fool me one little bit.

So what are your proposals for getting Scotland working together after the Referendum?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 15:00

It's about me when you continually post about me and what I'm supposed to have said.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 14/09/2014 15:01

Oh, nevermind, it's cars with Yes flags causing a blockade. FFS.

This is chaos.

OneNight · 14/09/2014 15:01

Rita and chelsy

I take neither of you as representative of your preferred voting option but all that you're doing is demonstrating why so many of us are concerned for the future of Scotland after this referendum.

How about you each go get a cup of tea?

IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 15:03

Live streaming for the BBC Bias protest in the Weege as we speak....

ChelsyHandy · 14/09/2014 15:03

prettybird I think theres a school of thought that certain political leaders have a tendency towards sociopathy more than the average. Not all are, obviously, you get some great leaders. But you also get despots.

I'm not trying to persuade or tell anyone how to vote. Therefore I'm not going to censor my points as if it was my aim to do so. Hope this explains my thinking to you. I really am horrified at what has happened in Scotland in recent weeks, as it was once a peaceful country, and Noddy's drawing similarities with N Ireland have really made me think.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/09/2014 15:04

BakerStreet there is a 100 car convoy going through today, I think from Edinburgh to Glasgow. It's probably that.

ChelsyHandy · 14/09/2014 15:04

Sorry, no tv at present. Whats caused a blockade and where?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 15:04

Just finished one thanks Smile

I'm not going to accept being portrayed as something that I am not by ssomeone who won't back it up.

It's very damaging.

WildThong · 14/09/2014 15:04

It's not a rabble, it's people exercising their democratic right to protest against censorship by the state broadcaster. There have been several such demonstrations in the last few weeks

If it looks like a rabble and sounds like a rabble.....
And "censorship by the state broadcaster" Hmm Sounds like one of those 'say something often enough and it somehow ends up being a fact'
I bet 90% of the rabble couldn't back up that argument without just parroting something they have been told, or have read in an unbiased source like em, Wings Over Scotland.

Pathetic, and the future of my family and my country is in their hands Sad

OP posts:
FannyFifer · 14/09/2014 15:06

Lovely Rita, I got the same treatment, despite never being offensive to anyone on these threads, Chelsy was unable to give me examples of my unreasonable behaviour either.

I was also targeted by her under her previous username. It just becomes boring tbh & she has managed to put many posters off posting by effectively derailing with increasingly bizarre accusations.

IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 15:06

At least the music's good Wink

cricketpitch · 14/09/2014 15:07

Agree One Night - this is the fear. And when / if Scotland wants more than rUK wants to give, and both lots of people are feeling the recession and paying for the breakup, I fear the whole Scotland England thing will turn nasty too.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 15:07

I've given you lot's of opportunities chelsy to elaborate on the character slurs you have made against you. You have had ample time to get back to me and elaborate or apologise but have refused. I will not let such misinformation stand, I will be reporting the posts.

You have no credibility what so ever.

ChelsyHandy · 14/09/2014 15:08

Hi FannyFifer whats your views on Scotland's membership of the EU then? Or the costs of setting up its own embassies?

WildThong · 14/09/2014 15:09

The Weege Oi! Grin

OP posts:
IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 15:09

Ignore ignore ignore folks, let's focus our energies on the task at hand. No need to squabble over each other.

IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 15:10

I think there's a convoy going on via Stirling towards the Weege from God's Country.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 14/09/2014 15:13

Chelsy it was going passed my house rather than on TV, I put the news on to try and find out what was happening as it was quite unsettling but it wasn't on. But Stat is right, it was a rally of 100 cars driving along beeping their horns incessantly and waving fucking flags out the window like reprobates. How is this allowed?

Gah, I'm so upset. Petty, I know, but I just can't believe this is where we are. I just want to run away and hide.

Esmum07 · 14/09/2014 15:14

Livingzuid thank you. I have been watching the two campaigns with my chin getting further towards the floor at every broadcast! The rUK seem to have been forgotten or the assumption is we are just going to sit around tut tutting and handing over the pound, more powers or whatever with a shrug and a smile.We are not.

I am English. Born, bred and living in England. I am married to a Scot, a Highlander. They don't get much prouder of being a Scot but he has made his home down south for various reasons. He, if he had a vote, is a staunch no voter. He has worked abroad for about half his life in various countries and, in his words, has seen the benefits of being in the UK.

As Livingzuid said there are 60million people in the rUK. 40million are eligible to vote in elections in England alone. And what our politicians seem to have forgotten (until Friday morning of course) is that they have a general election booked for next May. Why the referendum was booked for this precise time I do not know but there isn't going to be a lot of negotiating going on in the next seven months. All of the MPs will be trying to placate their constituency. Especially those of us who found the sight of 100 plus MPs trekking up to Scotland to try to give Big Hugs very nauseating and extremely patronising. So who an Independent Scotland will sit around the table with is a bit puzzling. Of course there will be negotiations but why would DC, NC and EM drop everything to talk to AS when they can stall and get on with getting their seats in May? It suits rUK to stall the process. We have to find a home for Trident for a start.

The yes campaign have also glossed over the point that, whilst they can have the pound - they can use pink monopoly money if they want - they need the BofE to back it. And 45million voters (England, Wales and N Ireland) may send their own mandate saying we don't feel safe in that situation. In that case iScotland need to find a bank of last resort. If BoE don't back them who will? AS has threatened that in that scenario he will not sign up to debt repayment. Fine, but you try getting a loan if you have defaulted on a debt. Scotland will end up with a Wonga rate of interest from a European bank instead of a high street bank rate (to use the domestic analogy). And it will need to put aside a huge amount of money as security for its savers just as Hong Kong do.Last I read that estimate was £130billion. That cannot be used, ever, for other things like education, NHS, etc. So iScotland will have to find vast amounts of cash from the start just to put to one side... No use to any man, woman or child in the country...just sitting there. Of course, give us a cut of the oil revenue and we can make a deal. Or keep Trident for us...you can hear the negotiations almost as you vote...The point is, and this seems to have been missed or glossed over, that iScotland keeping the pound and have the BofE back you is a bad thing in rUK voters eyes. IScotland walking away from the debt will just get a very bad name on the international markets. Which to be frank I and many others in rUK don't care about. You'll be independent. You won't be the UK. So what will you do? It is called a rock and a hard place. It hasn't, apparently, even been thought about by AS and co and the rUK voters can make it happen if our politicians don't start 'manning' up and taking notice of our views in this. Because we vote them out of office...

And as for Devo semi Max (as DH is now calling it) for the no vote? Again if it appears to be costing money for rUK the MPs will be cautious. Their seat depends on OUR vote not the voters in Scotland who don't generally deliver a lot of Tory or Labour seats. If they give away too much they lose the election...

And a lost election brings changes. Promises by one Government count for a bag of beans when a different face moves into no 10.And negotiations can change if the face sitting round the table changes.

Scotland have their vote on Thursday. The rUK will be voting in May and we will just watch what happens in these next few months. Then put our cross.

IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 15:14

They maybe need to be toning down on their choice language on the Independence channel! Geezo, kids could be watching this!

Swipe left for the next trending thread