Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

[WildThong]

All welcome

whatwouldfreddiedo Changing neoliberalism and the capitalist system is not going to happen by cutting ourselves off.

Would it be cutting ourselves off? Or would it be disassociating from a political system run by politicians committed to continuing down a round which will widen the gap between rich and poor, and continue to put the most vulnerable in society at risk in favour of those with power and influence?

Do you see how easy it is to influence with words? Your words make it sound like the only way to political enlightenment is via tying ourselves to Westminster, even though the economic model they espouse is not one which the majority of Scots agree with (see result of the last General Election). One person's "cutting off" is another person's "widening horizons".

I certainly didn't see 50/50 support for both sides. No comments on media bias ?

This picture from Fraserburgh made me smile - guess that's one campaign sign that won't get vandalised.

the envelope had been opened and the ballot paper torn up

Which way had they voted? Bad either way.

Fontella

Emotive language that has the Scots screaming IS bigoted. IMHO.

For the record, I'm a No voter (at the moment). And the way you choose to put your views over IS an embarrassment to me. The No Campaign has been a nightmare from start to finish.

I certainly didn't see 50/50 support for both sides. No comments on media bias ?

Media bias works both ways just as scaremongering and seems to be thrown about.

BT is told they scaremongering and promoting fear whereas apparently it's ok for Jim Sillars to do the same.

No comments on media bias because it has been done to death on these threads.

bideyinn

Comment on media bias? Well, sometimes the media report what the yes campaign are saying. And sometimes they comment on what the no campaign have said. And it seems everytime something is presented from the point of view of the No campaign, the Yes folk start complaining that they are being ignored.

The Yes campaign have the better deal in this, given they are the ones running the positive campaign.

You couldn't have been in Sauchiehall Street yesterday, then, is all I'm saying. An honest, unbiased view down that street was 50/50 with both sides out, both sides campaigning, and both sides stickering people left right and centre.

If the media was that bloody biased AS wouldn't be so desperate to keep the BBC.

And therefore it's incumbent on us and those others who have engaged or re-engaged with the political system to change things for the better in the future.

Why choose separation over unity?

Team Humanity .

fontella alleged media bias has been pulled apart and discussed many times already on these threads. Why don't you have a read back.

And if what you have read in these threads is the worst you have seen then you really need to come out from under your bridge.

Shakes. It was a no vote. But I'm guessing interfering with postal votes will happen either way. This person was stupid enough to send it back so it was detected.

Thanks OOAOML that's really shocking (and likely criminal?)

My DH is handing my postal vote directly in to the election office at the council just incase. I thought he was being OTT but now I see why.

I hope that is investigated in case it's not an isolated incident.

Emotive language that has the Scots screaming IS bigoted. IMHO. For the record, I'm a No voter (at the moment). And the way you choose to put your views over IS an embarrassment to me. The No Campaign has been a nightmare from start to finish

So the inclusion of the word 'screaming' in a long thread gives you the perceived right and basis on which to accuse me of bias and bigotry? Let's delete that word then if it is so offensive to you. My apologies for including it.

As for being embarrassment to you. I am incredulous. How dare you! My views are mine and mine alone and have absolutely nothing to do with you.

I am not part of any 'No Campaign' or anything else and whether it is a nightmare or not has absolutely nothing to do with me. Why you choose to make me some kind of representative of/ and stranger still some kind of 'embarrassment' to any Unionist or staying together movement or group or to you personally, I have absolutely no idea.

As I have clearly stated, I am Welsh, a first language Welsh speaker and citizen of the UK stating my own personal views on a thread where everyone else is doing the precisely the same. Most seemed to have welcomed a non-Scottish, non-English perspective, there have been contributions from Ireland and New Zealand also. Yet to you, for some unfathomable reason, I am an embarrassment. I have never claimed to represent you nor any 'No Campaign'. My views are mine and mine alone. Nothing to do with you.

Write whatever you like, vote how you like, think what you like - but you have absolutely right to accuse me of bias and bigotry. None.

Yes, the postal ballot incident has been reported.

Mae ddrw geni, Fontella. Dw'i wedi siarad yn hast. Ond...

Well, yes I have every right to say what I said, in the same way you have. Because the words you chose show a massive disrespect for the Scottish people, as I read them. You can choose to defend yourself by saying that you are not biased or bigoted. BUT, the post I read of yours basically went from saying that you thought voters had not considered the impact of this vote (how bloody patronising of you! Do you think we Scots are stupid?) and then went on to paint a picture of Scotland begging the rest of the UK like a screaming child. THAT is bias, as I say. It also demonstrates a level of bigotry in that you have painted an entire movement, indeed almost 50% of the Scottish electorate, as a whole. The fact you are Welsh, or siarad gymraeg, is neither here nor there. I know many people of similar background who would happily cheer Scotland to independence.

Your subsequent posts present a far more reasonable position, and better explain your views and opinions. However, resorting to emotive rhetoric contributes nothing to the discussion and just gets people's backs up. As has been demonstrated here.

There really isn't any discussion left worthy of having on these threads is there? They have degenerated into a huddle of no voters, some rather articulate, others simply bizarre, frothing each other into a frenzy of how awful and intimidating and paranoid or deranged yes voters are.

Which is a pity as about 6 threads ago there was some good discussion but there's no room for that any more.

Wow. That's somewhat inaccurate LovleyRita. It's rather difficult to discuss with people who refuse to consider what might happen after independence because you "can't predict the future"

That kills discussion faster than anything else. How do you discuss independence without thinking about the future? And that future includes, in fact depends on, the state of the economy.

I got fed up around thread 6, will see you all again on the other side though. Saor Alba!

That's a very negative attitude Rita. How about you try to be more positive and talk some more on the thread? After all you're going to have to work with the people here (and others) in the future whatever the result on Friday.

They have degenerated into a huddle of no voters, some rather articulate, others simply bizarre, frothing each other into a frenzy of how awful and intimidating and paranoid or deranged yes voters are.

And this statement is why I am not looking forward to aftermaths of Thusday no matter what the vote is.

People are talking from their experiences. People are/have been intimidated etc. Just because it isn't your experience doesn't make it any less real.

No voters don't have a monopoly on saying awful/in

Accurate things. On another thread a yes voter a likened iScitland and rUK like s paedo and the victims!

Rita I'm sorry if Im one of the bizarre ones ! I think it's just that a lot of us, yes or no, have made up our minds and know which box we are going to cross on the ballot paper on Thursday.

I'm a reasonable person! If there was a reason for me to vote Yes I would but for me there isn't one good argument for me so I'm voting No.