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Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

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Applefallingfromthetree2 · 14/09/2014 13:11

'Kicking the can down the road' in the event of a NO vote. I'm afraid I agree this is what will happen. Moves towards another referendum, then another and so on. In the meantime seething resentment on both sides of the border. RUK pacifying Scotland with sweeteners and alienating their own population.

Salmond has opened a can of worms-it's not independence it's separatism between the yes supporters and the No, between Scotland and England. We all know what separatism did for NI and the rest of the UK.

I just hope any nasty consequences stay on Scottish soil.

OneNight · 14/09/2014 13:14

I just hope that we can all work together to heal the bad wounds. I don't know how at the moment but I surely intend to try.

SantanaLopez · 14/09/2014 13:14

Morning.

Salmond has been caught out lying before, I don't trust a word that git says.

In exciting news, Casa Lopez is free of chickenpox!

BakerStreetSaxRift · 14/09/2014 13:15

Yes the route of the NI conflict was religion rather than politics, but this is stating to look more and more like it, just with Yes/No instead of protestant/catholic. The way people are behaving is so similar, it's frightening.

bideyinn · 14/09/2014 13:15

Wasn't in the least threatening to anyone and it wasn't a very organised thing. Practically everyone had at the very least a yes sticker.
I've looked on the BBC website and all I can see is a picture of about a dozen yes supporters which isn't really representative. The media bias against yes really is a disgrace.

EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 13:16

Big cheer for casa LopezSmile

EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 13:18

Wasn't in the least threatening to anyone and it wasn't a very organised thing.

If you are a yes voter in amongst yes campaigners then it may not be threatening for you, it would be for others.

SantanaLopez · 14/09/2014 13:18

Wasn't in the least threatening to anyone and it wasn't a very organised thing. Practically everyone had at the very least a yes sticker.

Of course there were no BT stickers. No-one supporting No would have gone anywhere near it!

I would have felt uncomfortable at the very least. I don't care how peaceful it was. Voting yes sends my family down to London.

Yes campaigners do not have a monopoly on emotion. This matter so much to practically everyone.

bideyinn · 14/09/2014 13:18

And I would agree with prettybird that the only nasty stuff I've seen has been on these threads.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 14/09/2014 13:19

chairthing in the modern world no country has fiscal freedom. We are all reliant on international money markets to borrow to pay any budget shortfalls. Changing neoliberalism and the capitalist system is not going to happen by cutting ourselves off.

tilliebob · 14/09/2014 13:19

Fontella, I think I love you.

I was in town yesterday. My smallest dc got a yes balloon - like he gave a toss - doesn't mean any of the voters in this house are voting yes though.

I agree that no voters aren't wandering about with arrows over our heads though. It's simple not worth the aggro/abuse. We're there though and I totally get what a pp was saying about a woman crying. I'll be sobbing on Friday if I have to have independence forced on me.

EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 13:20

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

bideyinn · 14/09/2014 13:20

Didn't say that yes supporters have the monopoly on emotion only that I felt emotional.

noddyholder · 14/09/2014 13:20

I wonder how much having Murdoch in his corner will swing it for Salmond? It does seem late in the day but the Sun is very powerful

Chairthing · 14/09/2014 13:21

Bideyinn - I have no idea what Yes event you are talking about. The campaigning in Sauchiehall Street was 50/50

There were hundreds of people walking through Glasgow yesterday with No stickers on. There were hundreds with Yes stickers.

There has been good natured banter, interesting discussions, and this new scare story "Ooooh, there'll be trouble!" is also rubbish. The internet is not indicative of real life. We'll wake up on the 19th and deal with whatever we're faced with, as we do with all the other election results.

SantanaLopez · 14/09/2014 13:22

Well I would have felt emotional too. I would have felt heartbroken because people voting yes are voting for my DH's job to move to London. I would have felt an utter stranger in the city that I love. And that makes me uncomfortable.

Is there something wrong with that?

OneNight · 14/09/2014 13:22

I'm relieved for you bideyinn. Nobody needs that in their lives.

EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 13:22

Voting yes sends my family down to London

Mine probably too. I was born in England though so according to some I should bugger off anyway.

squoosh · 14/09/2014 13:25

noddyholder if you read the tweets Murdoch posted today it seems to me as if he's backed away somewhat from throwing his support behind Yes, he appears to be saying devo-max is the way forward.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 14/09/2014 13:25

root! Blush not route...

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/09/2014 13:25

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29189847 looks like a lot more than 10 people to me!

OOAOML · 14/09/2014 13:25

What worries me now is all the tales of young children being registered to vote, people getting multiple polling cards, heard of someone who got her postal vote returned to her - the envelope had been opened and the ballot paper torn up. Whatever the result, we need to be able to trust it.

ShakesBootyFlabWobbles · 14/09/2014 13:26

I enjoyed reading your post fontella particularly as a Welsh person; the chain of threads has tended to be very much Scottish (obvs) and English folk, whereas the UK is every bit as much Welsh and Norn Iron too.

Although I don't want Scotland to go, I do understand your sentiment when you say best to go now, as a neverendum situation every 10 years or so would be awful and only has to be won once for the union with Scotland to be over forever.

I don't even have a vote and can't wait for this to be over, I can't imagine how much more intense it is for voters in Scotland, both for yes and no.

Fontella · 14/09/2014 13:26

Your language (Scotland should go. The neighbours won't roll over... no matter how they scream and shout) shows your bias and bigotry. You want Scotland to play fair, but have no intention of supporting fair play yourself. You are the reason we are here, and people like you, shouting "FINE THEN GO!" are an embarrassment to those who are genuinely committed to keeping the union together.

How dare you accuse me of bias and bigotry?

Scotland should go if that is what the Scottish electorate want and decide. Where is the bigotry and bias in that?

And no, I don't think 'the neighbours' will roll over to the demands of the Scottish first minister should Scotland vote 'yes' next Thursday. I totally support 'fair play' as you put it, but please tell me what is 'fair' about a small breakaway nation 'demanding' and cherry picking what it will and won't take from a Union without any consultation of consideration of the 60 million people who remain in that Union? The politicians who represent those 60 million are simply not going to allow the Scots to take everything they demand. Do you think otherwise? There's no bias or bigotry there I can assure. Just a statement of what I believe is going to happen.

I'm not an embarrassment to anyone. I have stated my views as you and others have but because they don't chime with yours your hurl insults of bigotry and bias at me.

Astounding.

noddyholder · 14/09/2014 13:26

Ah haven't seen his twitter. Devomax is going to cause other issues although I think its right that Scotland has a government that represents the vote but surely this means for teh rest of us they have to take another look at proportional representation