Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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All welcome

they're all a bit jaded

I shouldn't imagine any of them have had much sleep recently so I'm not surprised.

No doubt. I can't sleep myself. AS had a bed head from some camera angles.

I generally have what looks like a bed head from all camera angles so I feel for him!

I know I'm biased but that article from Janice Galloway is just a rehash of things on the Yes side (including the "we were told we were too wee stuff) which has been said over and over , including by people on here. If it floats your boat you'll love it , otherwise you skip to the end.

Surely page one in the How To Create A Country book is flag and currency.

This is from another thread. Just have me a much needed wanders off to see if I can get it on next day delivery from Amazon

Willie Walsh appears to be backing independence

No doubt part of that is because Richard Branson came out for unity.

I remember him decimating the post office, not sure those workers will view him with any fondness.

Willie Walsh appears to be backing independence

Because the White Paper has proposed scrapping air passenger duty.

I don't see the Scottish Greens having any influence over the Yes campaign at all.

Toad, I agree with a lot of your post but u don't agree on the immigration policy for NZ. There's a serious brain drain and there is the problem of attracting the right type of talent. Outside of Auckland and Wellington I found people astonishingly racist and narrow minded, against overseas investment, feeling like the Chinese were buying everything up and this permanent push to buy everything Kiwi no matter how shit it might be. I understand where some of the sentiment comes from and the intention is good, but I think it is dangerous. The island mentality is even worse than the UK because of the nearest neighbour being so far away.

It's a fabulous country, loads going for it and I miss it dearly, but with significant issues that face any country with a smaller population. I think the brain drain and trying to attract talent and investment will in many ways be even worse for an independent Scotland when there is so much competition from Europe. Having moved here recently I was rather shocked at how parochial people were when trying to sort out something as basic as accommodation from afar and it was surprisingly difficult to arrange the move. The NHS has been seamless though which I was pleasantly surprised by

That is one of the matters which concerns me Spiritedwolf.

There is so much work needed in this country on environmental issues and I hope that they can be a major focus for the people who are re-engaging with the political system as a result of this referendum.

DH's pal 'emigrated' to NZ, but was back to Scotland within a year with his young family. He was paid a pittance for the equivalent job he got there compared to the one in Scotland he left behind. His Samoan wife has to accept she can't stay over in NZ permanently now because of the lack of job opportunities there for her Scottish DH.

But Irn isn't NZ a country that Scotland wants to become like. I've heard many yes voters stating that NZ et al govern themselves well

Some people do cite NZ as a good example EWF. I personally don't see it like that because of DH's friend's experience.

Proportional representation in NZ isn't it? It was challenging for John Key's govt as I recall.

Some people cite Singapore as a great example. Of course it is, if you don't mind a single party democracy.

Anyone else ever wonder how different this campaign would be if the lib dems had gone for the rainbow coalition that was being discussed with labour rather than buddying up with the conservatives?

Good morning.

Just posting to say I'm about to contact my local better together group and see how I can help.

I've never been a member of a political group or campaign before.

(I do wear a No More Page Three t-shirt though and emailed my local supermarket to request that The Sun be moved to a shelf out of sight of children.)

R4 presenter this morning was asking whether people are voting with their heart or their head. The assumption was that yes voters are voting with their hearts and no voters are voting with their heads. As if you can't be passionate about belonging to the UK!

Or did he think that the only possible reason for a yes vote would be a feeling of Scottish nationalism there being no logical reason to vote yes?

I am now very worried about the possibility of a yes majority. Sorry I'm not contributing anything useful to this debate now...

Society, apathy, family set up, circumstances, life events...

Anything except their own active choice, in fact

I doubt anyone would deny Scotland's right to independence if that's what they want, but rights also involve taking responsibility for yourself. Sadly, it seems there are still too many who'd rather avoid that - and also many whose default position is to make excuses for them

Good luck chocoluvva.

Puzzled yes given that the list of things Rita was referencing are all already in the control of the people who live in Scotland and the Scottish government it wasn't obvious why not having WM around would magically change anything.

Just posting to say I'm about to contact my local better together group and see how I can help.

Good for you

If anyone is going to the No event planned for Holyrood today it has been moved to The Grange (Edinburgh Academy ground) in Stockbridge at the same time. The Grange, Edinburgh
Portgower Place, EH4 1 Edinburgh.

Historic Scotland refused permission for Holyrood park.

So AS has said there is no such thing as a no voter just a deferred yesser. I can assure you AS I am 100% NO despite the yes campaign doing it's best to vandalise every no thanks poster round my way. As if spray painting over no is going to make me change my mind.

I am truly sick of it all. I defriended some one on FB this morning for telling any no voters that we have not right to ever sign flower of Scotland again as we are all traiters and that if we love the UK so much to pack a bag and move down south as an IScotland doesn't want folk like us. Some yes voters are really turning into wee dictators.

I hope in the event of a No vote that at the next elections the SNP are not given a majority at Holyrood and we are never again put in this position.

Here's the link for anyone going to the Big No event in Stockbridge at 3pm today

m.facebook.com/events/1500809483497582/

Exactly, Phaedra - but it's always so much easier to blame someone else

As I've said repeatedly, it will be much harder to do this under independence (though I'm sure plenty will try) and I'd imagine the removal of such a handy excuse could be quite a challenge for some

Also good to see an increasing number of posts pointing out that rUK may not be willing to give an independent Scotland whatever it wants simply for the asking ... though I've not seen much acknowledgement of this from the Yes supporters

*If anyone is going to the No event planned for Holyrood today it has been moved to The Grange (Edinburgh Academy ground) in Stockbridge at the same time. The Grange, Edinburgh
Portgower Place, EH4 1 Edinburgh.

Historic Scotland refused permission for Holyrood park*

Too far from me, hope there is a good turnout though. It's a shame that Historic Scotland (a Scottish Government agency?) changed their mind so late in the day about using the park.