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Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

All welcome

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StatisticallyChallenged · 13/09/2014 23:39

And you don't think the English NHS does anything like that? Really?

Thank you so much for informing me that education doesn't only take place in schools. I really hadn't realised that there was a world outside the middle class bubble. Hmm

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 23:39

using money awarded from the nhs, in a community centre speaking to young single mothers making lentil soup and spag bol. Something none of them had ever done before

And how exactly is such a statement anything other than evidence of an abysmal failure of the Scottish education system?

livingzuid · 13/09/2014 23:40

chelsy very true. But we aren't good as a species at learning from our previous mistakes are we.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:41

You asked me what steps the Scottish government is taking using their devolved health and education powers. I answered and somehow I am insulting you?

Living, Cameron made a big song and dance about big society.

ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 23:41

Are we sinners if we are not poor? Or something like that? We're not meant to be poor, but if we achieve and do well for ourselves (despite the education system) we are bad because we become middle class, and forever more must do penance.

Sounds like a bundle of laughs.

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 23:43

Rita your last few posts are telling me that actually it would seem Scottish government is making an absolute balls up of health and education.

WildThong · 13/09/2014 23:44

Abysmal failure of Scottish society more like. In the old days (shows age) young people learned how to cook from their mums and grans. Obesity and poor health outcomes are down to lazy/uneducated eating habits which isn't down to schools to teach surely?

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ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 23:44

livingzuid chelsy very true. But we aren't good as a species at learning from our previous mistakes are we.

I've read (sorry, no links) that the Germans deliberately educate their children throughout school and university to take on the lessons of history and to be more tolerant and how to spot intolerance, etc..

Isn't there that famous experiment where actors pretended to suffer pain from an electric shock when people were encouraged to think they were pressing a button administering it? And post-war Germans actually showed less of a tendency to question the command, thought to be because they were now educated in this way?

livingzuid · 13/09/2014 23:46

However, the Scottish government accused Mr Folkerts-Landau of failing to take into account Scotland's "strong fiscal position".

Just catching up with the poll news. Saw this on the BBC in regards to the IMF comment. Would I be wrong in thinking this strong fiscal position is down to being supported by the UK?!

I think I am going to stop reading all stuff soon it is really quite stressful! I think though, it is moving in the right direction overall. Dodgy online poll though, doesn't take into account anyone who doesn't use the internet which is a good proportion of the voting public. The Panelbase one though, phew.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:47

Society, apathy, family set up, circumstances, life events...

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:49

Chelsy you are still of on this poor middle class me weepy rethoric. I don't understand what you are getting at?

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 23:49

WildThong well presumably it's Westminster's fault too.

I don't have any problem with schools teaching what in my days was called "home economics"(and only taught to girls)

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 23:51

Society, apathy, family set up, circumstances, life events.

And the failure of people living in Scotland to deal with this with the huge budgets available will somehow magically be addressed if Scotland is independent? ..

TheBogQueen · 13/09/2014 23:51

Actually Milgram 's experiments were carried out in the late fifties - post war, Cold War in a time when people were more likely to now to authority.

I think thus experiment has been replicated on modern times and found people are more likely in general to question the authority of the 'experimenter'

Likewise with zimbardo - different situations and times produce different results. Which is why comparisons with 1920s Germany are lazy.

WildThong · 13/09/2014 23:52

phaedra that goes without saying re WM..

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LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:53

We didn't get into this mess post 1997. I'm talking about generation after generation resulting in compounded issues.

TheBogQueen · 13/09/2014 23:53

Now? 'Bow' to authority

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:53

Who blamed Westminster?

BardarbungaBardarbing · 13/09/2014 23:54

The SNP won't help poor folk. There'll be less money with all the upset of independence.

Scottish social attitudes when surveyed are the same as elsewhere in the UK apparently.

But Scotland will be independent and that's important to the SNP. That's all that matters to them.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:56

Do you have a link to the social attitudes survey?

livingzuid · 13/09/2014 23:56

Gosh. What a nasty bastard Sillars is.

OneNight · 13/09/2014 23:57

Rita

I asked you for your suggestions on how your planned to work together after the vote. (Bearing in mind that either way, you will be in a divided and bitter nation.) Could you point me to your response?

BardarbungaBardarbing · 13/09/2014 23:57

No Rita it was a comment on one of these many programmes about right now. It was a conversation between two Tory Scots so it will have been ignored by most. I doubt they were inventing it.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:57

Gosh. What a nasty bastard Galloway is.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 13/09/2014 23:59

I must have missed that question?

Work together where? On what? With whom?

Am I suddenly in some official capacity here where I'm expected to respond like a politician?