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Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

All welcome

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TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 20:49

chelsy it is common for people of his age group to not have left Scotland until adulthood.

I don't even see how his travel habits in his youth are relevant to whether Scotland should be independent or not?

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 20:49

Santanta in your opinion.

OneNight · 13/09/2014 20:52

I'm not sure that they are.

I think it much more telling that he's apparently a good buddy of Rupert Murdoch who is rumoured to be about to endorse his campaign and to require the Scottish Sun to follow suit.

trixymalixy · 13/09/2014 20:52

Very very few of my no voting FB friends post anything. I know one who constantly posts yes propaganda but is actually voting no (or so she says!).

My FB feed is full of yes posts, but I would say I know more no voters.

And if a canvasser came to my door I would probably say I was a yes voter firstly to get rid of them and secondly out of fear of getting my windows bricked.

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 20:52

Mine, the UK government, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Paul Krugman, Moodys.... yeah, the small folk.

grovel · 13/09/2014 20:52

The detail involved in delivering an iScotland is scary. Who, for example, is going to be negotiating the aviation agreements? Without them in place there can be no flights in Scottish airspace from 2016.

Who is going to be negotiating the sharing of GCHQ intelligence. rUK can't just say yes because we have an agreement with the USA, Canada, Australia etc. They have to agree.

How many skilled negotiators has Salmond got with the expertise to close this stuff?

These are not reasons for swerving separation. They are reasons for doing this whole fucking process properly if it's going to happen.

WildThong · 13/09/2014 20:55

Anyone else noticed how the phrase "Broken Britain" has been dumped by DaveCam

Not especially, there are trite phrases brought into play by both sides at different times. Best ignored.

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OneNight · 13/09/2014 20:55

I notice you didn't include pension allocations within the UK, grovel. I had the complexities of that explained to me today and I'm still reeling.

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 20:59

Actually, Santana your opinion matters more than any of those people as you have a vote. Your assumption my head is in the sand is not an accurate one though.

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/09/2014 21:00

The detail is...incredible. Someone linked to a list previously of the 200 agencies we would need to create/replicate the functions of somehow. We'd either need to negotiate EU entry, or have a team dealing with any issues resulting from EU exit. The work involved is crazy. 18 months isn't long enough to do it properly.

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 21:01

Not only has "Broken Britain" taken a holiday, recent protests by NHS workers, at the planned cuts, were massively attended but not widely reported north of the border.

ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 21:01

TeamScotland AS's youth must have lasted a surprisingly long time then. Of course Scottish people leave Scotland and go to England and further. Some people don't though. Just like in other countries. What are you trying to say about Scottish people?

grovel · 13/09/2014 21:01

OneNight, I didn't even start the list. You're right. What about double-tax treaties with 200+ countries where iScotland has no presence.

prettybird · 13/09/2014 21:01

I came across this (bit long) rant comment on FB which made me think of this thread. Maybe some people will disagree agree with its sentiments - but I thought it was interesting. Smile

NB: for the avoidance of doubt, I didn't write this. The only word I have edited is deleting the name at the beginning.

"[Name deleted], there is a 'movement' in Scotland at the moment. something I have never witnessed in my lifetime. I'm not being fanciful, daft or exaggerating. I'm going to say, "you need to be here" to fully understand/appreciate.

For the first time in my life (and I'm older than I want to be..) I went out canvassing today. I. DON'T. 'DO'. POLITICS, but I went out canvassing, in the Gorbals, of all places. The reception we got was fantastic. Even from the one person who was a 'No'. By 'fantastic' I mean, people did not shoo us away, tell us to 'f....off', even though, for some we interrupted them watching the 'Tic or The The 'Gers on the telly. People were happy to talk.

The portrayal of what's going on up here has been incredibly distorted in the media - particularly by the Ministry of Truth at Pacific Quay, tbh, the BBC better hope there is a YES vote, because after this, they are finished in Scotland.

There is good, healthy 'debate' between YES & No, however for some reason it seems to have been agreed that it serves a purpose to threaten, belittle and pour scorn on the process by the Mainstream Media. It is my belief that things will pass off peacefully - provided that people from outside Scotland stop interfering and stop the 'bullying' & 'threatening' of the Scottish way of life.

MSM have reacted with a hysteria, not seen in the land since the days of Diana's funeral - only in this instance it is much more sinister. You'll have read 1984 - a quick refresh might not go amiss.

Despite this, Scots are 'shaking it off', 'water off a duck's back', we're used to it after all - the English Press is distorted. Have a look at "Wings Over Scotland" ( a bit biased for some), NewsnetScotland or Bella Calledonia. alternatively try Referendum TV or the writings of Iain Mcwhirter or Derek Bateman. Sure these guys n girls are pro Independence, but they attempt to redress the blitzkrieg of unadulterated crap that we are getting from MSM at the moment - "Independence will cause a Great Depression" - ffs - next it will be "Alex Salmond eats my babies.'

Despite all that, there's been no riots or bombings, no public disorder - 10,000 bigots were allowed to march through Edinburgh today and thankfully, thru Social Media, they were in the main, ignored.

That's what's happening in Scotland at the moment, it's passionate - but hey, we're Scots of course it is, but it's wonderful to see, it's a real engagement."

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 21:02

Santana your opinion matters more than any of those people as you have a vote. Your assumption my head is in the sand is not an accurate one though.

Being allowed to vote (or not) does not mean that you have a particularly special grasp of economics.

Prove your opinion then. Why are these people wrong?

ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 21:03

grovel How many skilled negotiators has Salmond got with the expertise to close this stuff?

They would struggle to provide people of the requisite quality.

I don't think its doable in the time frame. It hasn't even be set out in outline form. Theres not even a list of what needs to be done.

I do think though they could piggy back off the other side to some extent, as long as they were willing to let Scotland join/sign/whatever.

I suspect Scotland drives a lot of its best talent away, or doesn't nurture it properly in the first place, and that the intolerant socialist rhetoric has a lot to do with that.

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 21:04

None of that rings true to me prettybird. As for recommending wingsoverscotland and the like as a reasonable alternative to the BBC- you have got to be kidding.

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/09/2014 21:04

Ignore the mainstream media, here look at some really biased pro indy sources...

I agree with the point about engagement.

EarthWindFire · 13/09/2014 21:05

Ignore the mainstream media, here look at some really biased pro indy sources...

Just what I was thinking....

ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 21:07

Someone asked about Aberdeen Asset Management and why it was so keen on supporting Yes?

I would suggest they are backing the side that will benefit them most/put them in a favoured position in an independent Scotland. Its the jobs for the boys lot.

Is Aberdeen Asset Management not the company that a few years back nearly went bust and made hundreds redundant by gearing itself too highly? And which only succeeded when its running was shared with bankers from the City?

grovel · 13/09/2014 21:09

But, prettybird, we're talking politics.

The YES campaign is proposing "Best Case".

The NO campaign is warning about "Worst Case".

We, the electorate, have to decide.

And, yes, I'm excited by the popular involvement in the referendum. I also know that lots of voters will be disgusted "that my voice was not heard".

WildThong · 13/09/2014 21:09

pretty
Sorry, it's ott for me. References to 1984 and the English Press, I don't buy it.
I was shocked that Wings Over Scotland was referred to "as a bit biased for some". That wins the prize for understatement of the year !

And those 10000 bigots, are legal and entitled to march. It's a free country, so far anyway.

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dementedma · 13/09/2014 21:09

Can't believe anyone could genuinely recommend Wings over Scotland while complaining of biased reporting from the other side! Laughable.

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 21:11

Proving they are wrong, is just as impossible as proving they are right.

None of us have a crystal ball.

I'm not sitting here thinking iScotland will be all milk and honey. What iScotland will have, after May 2016, is a government they have voted for, wholly working for them. That's what I want so I'm voting yes.

ChelsyHandy · 13/09/2014 21:12

Ignore the mainstream media, here look at some really biased pro indy sources...

Typical socialist/communist tactic.

The next step is taking control of the media, in the "interests of whats good for the people".