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Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

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Waswondering · 13/09/2014 18:04

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WhatWouldFreddieDo · 13/09/2014 18:04

Nothing wrong with seeing them, just that I know I'm directly opposed to their views and don't know whether they're sensible or beyond help ;-)

IrnBruTheNoo · 13/09/2014 18:05

I haven't spotted any Better Together rallies, has anyone else??? If I did though, I would let you know how I felt about it.

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 18:06

You're both evading the question.

prettybird · 13/09/2014 18:07

The Yes campaign really can't win: first it is implied that there isn't really a grass roots campaign, that there aren't really that many of them. Then when they come together to illustrate that there is indeed a major groundswell of support, they are told that they are intimidating Confused and what's more some of the supporters are just pretending to be yes Hmm

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 18:09

I would feel completely and utterly comfortable in the presence of a peaceful rally, even if I disagreed with their views. Happy?

EarthWindFire · 13/09/2014 18:10

Any big demonstration can be intimidating.

The Yes campaign really can't win:

Well that works both ways.Wink

TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 18:11

Grin prettybird you pretty much sum it up

dementedma · 13/09/2014 18:11

No military in the family but work closely with lots of them, including very senior officers and veterans of all ages. Seems to be an overwhelming no vote from them. They want to be part of the UK armed forces who have stood together and fought together for so long. One person told me that an internal poll recently returned a 98% no vote.

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 18:12

No, not really.

It is totally reasonable to feel uncomfortable in the presence of a rally whose aims I disagree with.

Spiritedwolf · 13/09/2014 18:12

Part of it is the use of the Saltire I think. I'm not the biggest fan of flags outside of the Olympics/Commonwealth games and Proms anyway where they feel good natured.

I'm not a fan of nationalism... and when Yes folk use the flag as part of the Yes campaign it feels like they are saying that it is Scottish to vote yes. And unScottish to vote no. But No voters are voting No because they think it is best for Scotland to be part of a bigger union. It doesn't make us less Scottish.

EarthWindFire · 13/09/2014 18:14

No military in the family but work closely with lots of them, including very senior officers and veterans of all ages. Seems to be an overwhelming no vote from them. They want to be part of the UK armed forces who have stood together and fought together for so long. One person told me that an internal poll recently returned a 98% no vote.

That is a big vote Shock

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/09/2014 18:14

That definitely works both ways.

prettybird · 13/09/2014 18:14

We are canvassed last weekend by Yes - quiet residential, leafy, middle-class, inner city street (in Glasgow it is indeed possible to be both inner city and leafy Grin). We were canvassed by No a number of months ago.

We won't be canvassed again by either.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 13/09/2014 18:15

Interesting use of words from Nicola S saying the Yes campaign will resist Wm attempts 'to talk Scotland down'.

Sallyingforth · 13/09/2014 18:15

I'm beginning to worry about the excessive nationalism being whipped up by the SNP campaign. The subtext seems to be "If you don't support us you're not a real Scot and not fit to be in our country".

The problem with nationalism is that given a degree of power, it feeds on itself and gets more and more extreme. This seems to be a standard pattern, that has been responsible for some nasty episodes in history.

oddcommentator · 13/09/2014 18:16

Santana - covers the whole yes campaign tho. Avoid difficult questions and dont say no.

Sallyingforth · 13/09/2014 18:17

xposted with SpiritedWolf

I agree with you!

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 18:17

anyone got military in their family? How are they going to vote?

Not in my family. My next door neighbour has and has a "no thanks" window poster up. This is in a street which never has posters in elections bar the odd Labour one..

A yes poster appeared about a week ago which may have prompted hers. We now have 3 yes and 10 nos including mine. Most windows have none.

livingzuid · 13/09/2014 18:18

I was in Glasgow today shopping and felt extremely intimidated by the hysteria and nationalistic frenzy on show. I did not think 'party atmosphere, such fun'. It was horrible and divisive. Would I have walked through that wearing a No sticker - would I hell!

This is exactly it. For all these so called jubilant celebrations there will be just as many of us feeling rather ill at the sight of it all.

chocoluvva · 13/09/2014 18:21

Hello.

mops brow after finishing reading thread 9.

Santana - the (very nice, highly principled) yes campaigner I spoke to on Wednesday hadn't heard about the contract awarded to Weight Watchers to advise NHS patients on dietary issues. Very glad you have mentioned it. Would it be whiny to say that I mentioned it on a previous indy thread, but nobody commented? Grin

I admire those voters who are voting yes in the hope of creating a fairer and more progressive society for Scotland. But they are ultimately using the referendum as a protest vote. Which is a drastic thing to do. Although the hope is for a morally commendable end, it's still a from of protest vote - the current government isn't delivering the policies they'd like (I don't like a lot of them either) and they don't think the next government will be any better either so they vote to opt out. I don't see how giving up on rUK can be a positive reason for wanting to be independent.

Yes voters. Be more ambitious, more hopeful. Build on the political debate generated by the inde ref to improve things for all of the UK. There's nothing to lose by staying in the UK and everything to lose by leaving: the goodwill of the rUK, a strong economy, established regulatory bodies, national agencies and administrations; these will be replaced by years of squabbling over who gets what and power-hungry Scottish politicians desperate to make changes and set up new bodies just for the sake of it at great expense and effort. Instead of working to improve the structure we already have to improve we will be wasting our energies on the details of what new logos etc we will have for the newly created Scottish structures. Take the Scottish parliament building - we could have built something else with that money and effort, something for the ordinary people of Scotland, not just for the politicians of Scotland.

The ordinary people of Scotland have found their voice now and the rUK is hearing it - not just the voice of the SNP.

oddcommentator · 13/09/2014 18:21

So all those in the public sector - you know how your pensions work dont you?

Your taxes and contributions all go to a central pot.

That central pot then pays todays pensioners.

The fact is there was never ever any NI fund.

You pot will get a lot smaller -

Did they mention that?

Oh and all the other points from currency to the NHS to the SVR scottish tax power - none of these have ever been answered.

I know - wrap yerself in the saltire - its all Englands fault.

Architects of our own destruction indeed

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 18:21

We've only been canvassed by Yes. The man was so unpleasant; I opened the door and said 'I'm afraid you're wasting your time, I'm voting no,' very politely, and he told me he could change my mind... He regretted that Grin

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 18:22

Interesting use of words from Nicola S saying the Yes campaign will resist Wm attempts 'to talk Scotland down'.

Have we had any consensus that the "too wee, too poor, too stupid" line was actually coined by the SNP so that they could huff and puff about an imaginary slight?

Spiritedwolf · 13/09/2014 18:23

Look... I'm a labour supporter (sneer if you like about that). I have seen labour politicians hounded by Yes supporters who shout them down and refuse to let them be heard.

If I see a group of Yes supporters out doing their thing, I leave them to it. I respect that they have a certain view point and that they are out there trying to convince others about it.

But some yes supporters seem to think its okay to hound no politicians and shout verbal abuse at anyone who goes to hear them.

When I see a 'peaceful' rally of yes supporters, I have no idea if its always peaceful, or just peaceful because they haven't seen someone with a no badge.

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