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Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 11:18

All welcome

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 18:23

It was attributed to John Swinney

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TeamScotland · 13/09/2014 18:23

arf

Sallyingforth · 13/09/2014 18:23

I fear how this group frenzy is going to turn out on the 19th.

If it's a NO vote will these mobs crowds just quietly go home, or will they be looking for revenge?

SantanaLopez · 13/09/2014 18:24

What was her reply, choco? I'm sorry your posts were overlooked!

oddcommentator · 13/09/2014 18:24

Phaedra - classic strawman. Unfortunately when applied to NS i would probably apply that to a whelk stall where she is concerned.

Spiritedwolf · 13/09/2014 18:24

p.s. Some no campaigners are quite happy to waste yes campaigners time on the doorstep pretending to be undecided on the verge of being convinced to vote yes... Grin

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 18:25

What on earth is wrong with seeing a group of people being passionate in the streets about something they truly believe in

My final 3 words on that. Orange/Republican Walks.

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Spiritedwolf · 13/09/2014 18:25

So I'm told, no canvassers round here so far.

oddcommentator · 13/09/2014 18:25

Sally - my comments about slippery slopes were derided by yes supporters. But they wont be on the receiving end will they.

prettybird · 13/09/2014 18:26

Yes-voting lawyer friend is an officer in the TA. He is shocked that the MoD does indeed appear to have done no contingency planning they may be doing some panic planning now Wink - he said as an officer, his own CO would have his guts for garters if he hadn't made contingency plans for different eventualities, even ones you didn't want to happen.

He also said he knew of officers in the regular army who were telling their men that as they had sworn an oath of allegiance to the Queen, they all had to vote No. He's disregarding that

chocoluvva · 13/09/2014 18:26

The yes campaign ought to be having rallies and working extremely hard to persuade the people of Scotland to vote yes. They are wanting a huge and irreversible change for all the people of Scotland. It's the least they should be doing. The onus ought to be on them to convince the people of Scotland to vote for their desired outcome not on everyone else to justify staying with the current system instead of breaking it up.

BasketzatDawn · 13/09/2014 18:26

I WAS being facetious about the Duke of Norfolk, and probably shouldn't have done. GrinBut I was thinking at the time how silly the argument was about rich and poor Catholics. And I think he is he most well-known UK Catholic, though I've no idea whether he has a home in Scotland - I suspect he hasn't. It's neither here nor there anyway. Having grown up in Glasgow I know lots of Catholics and some are okay for money, others may be classed as 'poor'. Some are Yes, others are No.

DH is a lapsed Catholic but still identifies thus. And is married to me - which means in RC terms he's living in sin and has 4 bastard sons. WinkWe are poor, relatively, and all Yes. But on its own it means very little, in fact nothing statistically.

I think the campaign is still very close. Which is why both 'sides' are so busy doing and saying what they are. My brother has just texted me to say his figures at end of a day's canvassing in a small town in the central belt are: Yes, No, Undecided - 91, 39, 37. That's still a lot of Undecideds. On these figs alone it means very little but is encouraging for those of us who want a Yes majority.

I haven't decided whether to put up our poster yet. I've heard bad things about the No campaign and we've had our windows broken before for less. Wink

oddcommentator · 13/09/2014 18:29

bearing in mind the amount of naked intimidation of those in favour of the union i wouldnt be surprised if a portion of people say yes to get the person off their front door.

EarthWindFire · 13/09/2014 18:30

Yes-voting lawyer friend is an officer in the TA. He is shocked that the MoD does indeed appear to have done no contingency planning they may be doing some panic planning now - he said as an officer, his own CO would have his guts for garters if he hadn't made contingency plans for different eventualities, even ones you didn't want to happen.

Does he know for a fact that contingency plans are not being made or is it anecdotal or 'beliefs' Is he within the MoD that make those decisions....

livingzuid · 13/09/2014 18:31

People have been tactically voting in elections since the dawn of election time. People are using Yes as a protest vote. I sit next to one at work. To deny this is happening is baffling. But that blind optimism being by so many of the Yes campaign is one of the main reasons to vote no. It's borderline fanatical.

As for the Yes campaign not being able to win, exactly the same can be said of the no campaign. How dare Cameron and Co not come up and tell us why we should stay? How dare Cameron and Co come up and tell us why we should stay? Same old tripe that's been going on for decades with politicians across the UK. Not sure why Scotland thinks it should be singled out for special treatment.

EarthWindFire · 13/09/2014 18:32

haven't decided whether to put up our poster yet. I've heard bad things about the No campaign and we've had our windows broken before for less.

What are these bad things about the no campaign?

Are these the same bad things that have also been carried out by the yes voters?

PhaedraIsMyName · 13/09/2014 18:33

No Sally I don't expect civil unrest either way. But it will be horrible. For example I don't think I could bear reading post result threads on here or in any other social media whether it's yes or no.

If it's a Yes I will be devastated. The yes campaign have claimed they are the ones who speak from the heart. My decision was made early on from my head but I'm surprised at the sentimental/ emotional attachment I have for the Union. That is why I posted the link to the article by Rory Bremner as what he said really resonated with me.

I've said on here I feel my country is being ripped apart. That got short shrift from several yes supporters.

firstchoice · 13/09/2014 18:34

At least Jim Sillars is being honest about the threats that local businesses supporting NO have been receiving.

So, there will be a 'Day of Reckoning' for businesses who have supported No in the event of a Yes vote, will there Mr Sillars?
DISGUSTING.

I saw a 'papa' (granddad) walking along the road today with two weans - one about 6 and one about 4. They had NO balloons. I saw him go past the NO stand and the weans were fussing about a wee balloon each and he kind of grabbed them and smiled and they went on their way.

You should have heard him being shouted at as I drove past - 'Ye English Bastard!' and he called back: 'I'm Nae Englishman' and some git shouted: 'Well, ye should be fucking ashamed then fae your nae fucking Scotsman then are ye?'

All in front of little kids. Angry

chocoluvva · 13/09/2014 18:35

TeamScotland arf in response to a long, thought-out post, crediting some of the yes voters for being principled people but arguing that they won't achieve the outcome they are hoping for by voting yes, is hardly going to persuade anyone to vote yes.

But thank you for showing us the quality of your reasoning.

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WildThong · 13/09/2014 18:35

and we've had our windows broken before for less
You need to move house

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livingzuid · 13/09/2014 18:35

The onus ought to be on them to convince the people of Scotland to vote for their desired outcome not on everyone else to justify staying with the current system instead of breaking it up.

Quite so. Adding a bit more detail on some important issues like how much it will cost, would help. Simple facts would be useful rather than marketing spin. If that had been the case then quite a few of us would have been tempted I am sure to vote Yes. As it is, the numbers come across like they've been put together on the back of a fag packet after a lock in at the boozer doesn't appeal.

StatisticallyChallenged · 13/09/2014 18:38

For those who haven't read it, here's Deutsche Bank

Sallyingforth · 13/09/2014 18:39

Not a military person but I would think 18 months was ample time to plan any moves consequent upon Scotland leaving the UK.
They should be able to respond to far more serious national emergencies than this, in far less time. Otherwise how can they protect the country?

I think iScot would have a much bigger problem replacing the forces and equipment they will lose.

Spiritedwolf · 13/09/2014 18:39

The number of undecideds in your brother's canvas sample are unrealistically high this close to the vote especially compared to other polls. I'm confident a lot of his 'undecideds' are 'shy' nos.

Mumsnetters on another thread have also said that they are keeping their vote secret even from partners, and have or would lie to canvassers.

prettybird · 13/09/2014 18:40

I would invoke my No voting friend and she would confirm that there is no way I would be intimidating on the doorstep. She can choose to make herself known (if she reads this) or not :)

But there again, this thread moves so fast and I am not going to out her without her permission. I'm not even going to ask her as she has had enough of the whole debate and I respect her views.

Middle class elderly gentleman. Middle-class middle aged lady Blush. One knock or ring. If no answer, a leaflet pushed through the letterbox. If answered, a simple question: "We're canvassing on behalf of the Yes campaign; may we ask if you've decided how you are going to vote?" If they answer is No, a simple thank you. If the answer is Don't know, follow up question of "Is there anything in particular you are concerned about or would like more infomration on?"

That's really intimidating Hmm.