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Indyref 9

999 replies

IrnBruTheNoo · 11/09/2014 14:00

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ChelsyHandy · 12/09/2014 21:26

Well, good wishes Itsallgoing. We may not agree, but you have been a decent type of poster. Apart from your Wee Blue Book references!

trixymalixy · 12/09/2014 21:27

So anyway we got a bit distracted by As's degree mark. I'm presuming Sarah is away writing up the fiscal case for independence for us....

WildThong · 12/09/2014 21:28

santana keep your grotty habits to yourself please. Stroking your beard while looking at Tommy on the sunbed! You are a pregnant woman, fgs behave

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WildThong · 12/09/2014 21:29

Sorry, lowered the tone there. Blush

squoosh · 12/09/2014 21:30
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SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 21:30
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May I point out it was disgust at squoosh's impressive collection of scantily clad politicians and not interest. I am a fucking lady Grin

TroelsNextCampaignManager · 12/09/2014 21:31

The people on these threads have - it appears - done their own research. I fear a lot of others won't have done the same and are going to vote for something when they aren't really clear about the potential consequences. That said, it's the same in many elections - where people unquestioningly vote Labour or Tory (et al) every time because it's what they do, it's the tribe they belong to or they take the rhetoric they hear at face value.

People have asked why the rest of the UK wants the Union to remain. IMHO, it comes down to the fact that the UK as a whole is better and stronger together. It's not about Scotland being weak or strong, it's about the sum being more than the constituent parts.

We live in a world where economic uncertainty is fierce - not just in Europe and the US. Things aren't that great in many of the BRIC economies either. Added to that we have political unrest and/or an increase in terrorism in North Africa and the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, in Asia. Uncertainty makes people nervous, makes businesses nervous, makes governments nervous, makes markets nervous. Those nerves will have a negative effect on all of us, whether we are north or south of the border.

The UK wants stability so investors and businesses continue to think we're a safe place to invest. We're just about hanging on to growth compared with many other countries. The possible Yes victory is making global investors - the same investors Yes probably think they can get to invest in iScotland in the future - take money out of the UK in droves.

In addition, a porous border with iScotland could be a huge security risk to rUK if there is an increase in domestic terrorist attacks as promised by IS propaganda. Look at the attacks on London and Glasgow already, without the complication of being different nations. And don't think IS won't target Scotland, they will because their goals are nothing to do with Scottish values. We COULD end up needing physical borders between Scotland and rUK, greater even than the level of border security in Northern Ireland through the worst of the troubles. What a horrible thought. Can I remind everyone what the troubles did to the Northern Irish economy?

Simply put, staying together is our best chance - for ALL of us - to get through the current economic and security crap in the best possible shape.

WildThong · 12/09/2014 21:34

People have asked why the rest of the UK wants the Union to remain. IMHO, it comes down to the fact that the UK as a whole is better and stronger together. It's not about Scotland being weak or strong, it's about the sum being more than the constituent parts

prettybird · 12/09/2014 21:36

I respectfully disagree with you Troells - but I'm now enjoying my Friday night bubbly and don't have the energy to go through my reasons. Smile

moggiek · 12/09/2014 21:38

Smile prettybird.

cricketpitch · 12/09/2014 21:39

Well put Troels.

SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 21:40

This time next week we should know. Blimey.

trixymalixy · 12/09/2014 21:47

Will we know? Does anyone know how it'll be announced. Will it be like a normal election count?

It's going to be bloody stressful. I can't see me sleeping at all.

ChelsyHandy · 12/09/2014 21:48

Timing wise, will it actually take until late next Friday evening to find out?

Roonerspism · 12/09/2014 21:52

Apparently we will have a fairly good idea from polls that night, with a formal announcement taking place between 6am and 11am next morning.

Even typing this makes me feel nervous!!

Either way - there will be a lot of disappointed people. Rumour has it, the pubs are all staying open. how is that sensible?

trixymalixy · 12/09/2014 21:53

WTF? Are they nuts?!?! There will be trouble no matter what the result if the pubs are open all night.

SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 21:53

I think they'll be released by local authority and then a national result.

The official counting guide says that If stakeholders, such as the media, are seeking to plan and schedule events modelling might start with a benchmark of a recent Parliamentary election, such as the 2010 UK Parliamentary elections, where the final Scottish declarations were made around 6:30am, or the 2011 Scottish Parliamentary elections when they were around 7:30am.

So we really ought to know by now. Anxious at the thought.

SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 21:54

by now= by this time next week

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 12/09/2014 21:54

Results will be announced for each local authority area as they come in, so it'll be a through-the-night event. But instead of a "constituency" being won by party A or party B, it'll be the raw numbers, not eg "East Fife is Yes, Glasgow North is No", iyswim.

SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 21:55

I really hope the pub thing is just a rumour. I am really afraid of violence if they do stay open.

grovel · 12/09/2014 21:55

ItsAllGoingToBeFine, have a good time. Seriously.

If there is a YES vote it will be a very grubby one. No plan or common vision beyond a desire to be self-determining because all available politicians in WM and HR are so shit.

EarthWindFire · 12/09/2014 21:55

Either way - there will be a lot of disappointed people. Rumour has it, the pubs are all staying open. how is that sensible?

Who on earth thought up that one!?Hmm

StatisticallyChallenged · 12/09/2014 21:56

I saw something online earlier that suggested they're expecting Glasgow and Aberdeen to be the last to deliver their numbers at about 6am. Because Glasgow is last, and big, it could well be that we won't know the result until the very last count.

squoosh · 12/09/2014 21:57

Apparently there won't be any exit polls.

StatisticallyChallenged · 12/09/2014 21:58

Keeping the pubs open is absolutely insane.