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Indyref 9

999 replies

IrnBruTheNoo · 11/09/2014 14:00

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oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:02

WWFD - which is why you don't see many no posters in windows - the bricks would damage the glass...

AnnieHoo · 12/09/2014 16:03

Yes Wildthong Shouty Sturgeon totally rebuffed Ruth Davidson calling her "disingenuous!".

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 12/09/2014 16:03

Ah of course I forgot. Every no voter is too scared to put up a poster. And of course thr ones that were up have been vandalised.

Hmm

I'm having a bit of fun with my obsessive poster counting, I mentioned that earlier. Do lighten up!

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:03

but you dont deny working for the yes campaign?

cedricsneer · 12/09/2014 16:04

Lovelyrita it is well documented that the yeses are more vocal in terms of posters etc.

I agree that there is a sense of shame (and depending where you live, fear) about coming out as a no. I think this is largely due to the fact that the no campaign has been terribly run and has given so many yeses the opportunity to brand them as unpatriotic and without social conscience. It is a sad (and absurd) assertion that I have heard from many people including friends that yes have the monopoly on empathy, hope and compassion.

I have a huge social conscience and am a no on the strength of the fact that I am genuinely terrified about the economy of an independent Scotland (and I have done plenty of research).

My dh is representative of many people I know (and I suspect many people in general) who fancied a yes vote when the polls were so in favour of no but who now will categorically vote no in the booth. And yet he is too Blush to come out as a no.

IrnBruTheNoo · 12/09/2014 16:08

"Scotland has the power should it wish to vary income tax"

Oh right, has it got 100% control, has it??

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cedricsneer · 12/09/2014 16:08

Also, if twitter is anything to go by, yes are just more vocal blognewsintelligence.kantarmedia.co.uk/2014/09/12/scotland-decides-twitter-talk-the-week-before-the-vote/

I know so so many nos who just don't engage in this stuff.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 12/09/2014 16:10

Well documented?

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:11

Here irnbru - let me help you SVR

IrnBruTheNoo · 12/09/2014 16:12

Thanks odd you're too kind! Flowers

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cedricsneer · 12/09/2014 16:13

See my post below about twitter. Re posters I read it somewhere but my head is fried and I have too many tabs open to find it. I'll come back.

TeamScotland · 12/09/2014 16:16

but you don't deny working for the yes campaign?

What makes you think I work for the yes campaign?

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:17

Irn - this is my concern - when extra powers have been given - they havent been exercised. Things get all shouty when we ask why.

The Scottish government has the power to raise extra taxes to carry out its agenda - why doesnt it?

One can only speculate that either they know it will scare voters or b) it is easier to blame the evil government in London for not giving them enough money.

SantanaLopez · 12/09/2014 16:21

Really enjoyed that Carol Craig article.

But hope and vision are not on their own enough to deliver good results for people and they can end up, not just disappointed, but disadvantaged.

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:21

Team - it was the purportedly privileged information pertaining to the constituents of the negotiating team that you claimed to speak with authority.

but again you haven't answered the question. If it helps - i didn't ask if you were paid. You could be an intern, or a volunteer for their media team - but are you saying you have no official connections with the campaign?

Roseformeplease · 12/09/2014 16:24

Followed a couple of links, apologies if this has already been linked to but have been working and am rushing out:

Jim Sillars launches attack on scaremongering business leaders.

Speaking on tour from the Margo Mobile, Jim Sillars sets out a programme for a ‘day of reckoning’ with the companies who are engaged in subverting Scotland’s democratic process. Speaking in Wester Hailes in Edinburgh today (Friday 12 September) he will say:

“The No camp fear mongering has had an effect on me – instead of retiring on 19th. September, I am staying in. This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority, we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.
The heads of these companies are rich men, in cahoots with a rich English Tory Prime Minister, to keep Scotland’s poor, poorer through lies and distortions. The power they have now to subvert our democracy will come to an end with a Yes.
BP, in an independent Scotland, will need to learn the meaning of nationalisation, in part or in whole, as it has in other countries who have not been as soft as we have forced to be. If it wants into the ‘monster fields’ in the areas west of Shetland, it will have to learn to bend the knee to a greater power – us, the sovereign people of Scotland. We will be the masters of the oil fields, not BP or any other of the majors. If Bob Dudley thinks this is mere rhetoric, just let him wait. It is sovereign power that counts. We will have it, he will not.
As for the Bankers. Your casino days, rescued by socialisation of your liabilities while you waltz off with the profits, will be over. You will be split between retail and investment, and if your greed takes the latter down, there will be no rescue. You believe in the market, in future you will live with its discipline. Fail will mean failure.
As for Standard Life, it will be required by new employment laws to give two years warning of any redundancies, and reveal to the trade unions its financial reasons for relocation to any country outside of Scotland, and the costs involved. It has never crossed the minds of our compliant Unionist media, especially the BBC, to ask the Chief Executive what his costings are on his proposed moves.
As for John Lewis, the question is whether the senior management consulted the ‘partners’ or took instructions from Cameron? Another question our supine BBC did not ask. There is now talk of boycott, and if it happens it will be a management own goal.
What kind of people do these companies think we are? They will find out.”

So, nationalising big companies. That'll keep them in Scotland, giving jobs and paying taxes.

TeamScotland · 12/09/2014 16:25

odd cheers you've just answered my question about whether you watch the debates.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/09/2014 16:27

but are you saying you have no official connections with the campaign?

Which campaign? That is a really naive question. Just because someone votes Yes doesn't mean they are part of a campaign. And even if they are, which campaign? The official Yes campaign has been dwarfed by all of the other grassroots campaigns and just "ordinary" people doing things by themselves to help.

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:32

Team - still not answering tho ;-)

grandtheftmanual · 12/09/2014 16:34

More or Less on R4 talking about how pollsters go about getting their info (but because it's on the Beeb it's probably biased....)

oddcommentator · 12/09/2014 16:35

Rose - strong stuff

EarthWindFire · 12/09/2014 16:35

As for Standard Life, it will be required by new employment laws to give two years warning of any redundancies, and reveal to the trade unions its financial reasons for relocation to any country outside of Scotland, and the costs involved.

I don't think business would pander to that. Two years lead up to redundances. If a company goes bankrupt you won't get two weeks notice let alone 2 years!

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 12/09/2014 16:36

Roseforme where have you found that??

Complete madness.

Interesting analysis on R4's 'More or Less' atm re. opinion polls.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 12/09/2014 16:40

ICM man saying they are not adjusting for the tendency for No voters to remain silent / say they are undecided - as they have no previous similar election to compare.

Also saying it's the first time all the polls have been purely online. but he's not worried that their panels are being infiltrated by one side or another - only a few hundred new panel members since January.

cricketpitch · 12/09/2014 16:41

Bloody hell - that quote from Sillars is frightening.