Indyref 9

[IrnBruTheNoo]

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The SNP are a joke. First their direction of communications threatens supermarkets. Salmond then threatens to blockade the North Sea. And now a threat to punish business. But yes! There's your fairer country. There is the campaign which fights against bullying or scaremongering. Tosh.

Corey hope you're ok, things are getting heated but we all need to get through the next week in one piece.

Re the Breaking News, the quotes I've seen are from Jim Sillars, who I think is a former Deputy SNP leader.

First their direction of communications threatens supermarkets. Salmond then threatens to blockade the North Sea. And now a threat to punish business.

Links?

I also work in an international field and my clients cannot believe this is happening. Apart from one, a lawyer from Barcelona, everyone has expressed the same viewpoint - including my Japanese and Russian clients so not just the Europeans.

mine was a twitter feed - hence my health warning - not in any reputable news source

Yes, it is unbelievable to most of the rest of the world. But I think this only encourages the Yes side. Finally, after 300 years of hurt, the brave, downtrodden Scots are going to show everyone.

I don't twitter (after reading this I won't be) but I googled Jim Sillars
here

Bella Caledonia

If NO then @Nigel_Farage will take a knife to Scotland #indyref pic.twitter.com/jJurxbNsUt
"@NaeFear: Unspoken sub-clause to Milliband speech - if he doesn't win 2015 he will deliver Scotland to another Tory govt. #indyref"

@NaeFear ...and a tory ukip coallition will REDUCE the Scottish parliament powers. #voteyes

Dear God, this is just a flavour, and it's the No campaign that has been dubbed as "project fear"

I've seen a couple of work friends who are YESers (for the democratic arguments, so not traditional nationalists) look very shaken today. Their apolitical family members have come out to them as extremely pissed off at the thought of separation.

I think that these particular yes voters are stunned that they are not the only ones with strong beliefs.

My dh hears the same thing at work from foreign colleagues. Actually his line manager is originally from Iceland and he says independence was the worst thing that ever happened to them.

I think a lot of the yes voters I have met personally seem to think they somehow have stronger beliefs and higher morals.

The results of the ICM poll which was carried out this week has just been released, too close to call apparently.

42% No
40% Yes
17% Undecided

Not sure about the other 1%

just had a look at that twitter link. What a shameful way to behave, an embarassment to Scotland.

Lost in rounding probably

The boss of weatherspoons quoted above also proceeded to complain about the unfairness that pubs have to charge vat and proceeded to comment that an independent Scotland could help matters by leveling the playing field.

Right. Cos what a country with a notable alcohol problem really needs to make it a success is to reduce the price of alcohol in any environment. And folk say the banks are bad with regards to self interest...

History repeats itself

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State"

So why - again does AS refuse to admit he lied about EU legal advice?
Why wont he admit the truth on the currency?
Why wont he admit the truth on jobs and business?

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"

Look at the twitter feeds of yes - full of repetition that No is project fear.

just my analysis

clearly dissent from jobs providers is not to be permitted in Scotland?

I did a number of multi-million pound deals with Iceland (including a major one which was signed before the Kreppa and paid after - only 2 weeks late because of the capital controls). I have also since done consultancy work there so have met with people from a range of industries.

None of my Icelandic colleagues would want not to be independent. They would be shocked at the very idea.

yes, repetition is powerful.

'scaremongering'

'no more Tories'

ad infinitum

Any attempt to discuss detail or nuance is shut down as unpatriotic.

I've just looked in and read that talk about EU embassies etc.
On independence day, Scotland will cease to be in the EU. That is a clear, clean, break. Individual people with UK passports will be able to use them to travel to EU, but the country will have stepped outside the EU.
As a foreign country, Scotland will cease receiving EU benefits, facilities and services. Including farming subsidies.
On independence day, that all stops. It's what you are voting for.

My brother works down in South of England with companies across Europe. They are having hard times down there too. His colleagues say that like us, times are hard in mainland Europe too, worse in some places, but they are getting on with it and think the Scots are mad wanting to go it alone in these economic times.

On independence day, Scotland will cease to be in the EU. That is a clear, clean, break. Individual people with UK passports will be able to use them to travel to EU, but the country will have stepped outside the EU.
As a foreign country, Scotland will cease receiving EU benefits, facilities and services. Including farming subsidies.
On independence day, that all stops. It's what you are voting for.

Unless, as is quite likely, Scotland negotiates its continuing membership of the EU between the Yes vote, and independence day.

except that the EU opinion is that Scotland will have to start again.

Further, what have Scotland got that the EU needs so much to make a special case?

That twitter about punishing companies who mention moving out of Scotland is precisely why the FS are being so careful with their statements at the moment.
They are not revealing anything about plans to move staff, because they are hoping for a No vote, after which they will have to continue working with the SNP government. Best not to piss them off!

That's a point, Sallying - I hadn't thought about the farming subsidies, etc, from the EU

Another thing, about the oil this time: I realise Scotland wants a geographical share of some type, but what happens if the majority decide they should get a share (roughly 8% I think) based on population instead??

It appears that the geographical idea has gone largely uncontested so far, but of course real negotiations won't start until / if the vote is yes, and since nothing seems to be set in stone views could change ...

Tim whatshisname from Wetherspoons has an agenda - they have a 'tax equality day' coming up so he is spreading the lurvve - mostly to wangle his thoughts on VAT into the conversation. Alex Salmond will need some very long spoons, but never mind, he can probably get some beautiful wood or horn ones made and keep a Scottish company in business.