Indyref 9

[IrnBruTheNoo]

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I never said that at all WildThong, I'm stating what Michelle Mone said last night on TV during her clip. She emphasised it several times, lost count.

itsallgoingtobefine - exactly! WM vetoed the devo max option because they don't take Scotland and its needs seriously. As soon as they are backed into a corner its all promises and sad faces. Ridiculous!

the no group would have us all believe rubbish - they have twice the money the yes group have and are bombing us with mis-information.

For example: Just last night the no campaign have moved on from Project Fear to Shock & Awe.

That's their own labels for their referendum strategies.

Robert Peston tweetwed last night "Downing St now says PM's pressure on supermarket bosses to go public on how prices would rise in indie Scotland happened in one-to-one chats"

How can anyone believe these supermarket bosses are speaking truth when they are under the PM's thumb?

Out of the 37 daily national newspapers in the UK, 5 are owned in Scotland and none support the YES campaign - so you cant believe a word you read.

BBC News cherry picked it for all to see on their news channel

Mr Salmond was on radio 4 yesterday crowing about 'winning a debate' on mumsnet. That is BBC Radio 4

"sorry, but I am beyond watching that man any more."

Good for you, ignoring the corruption that's going on in front of our noses. The international press will now be precisely aware of what's going on and why Scotland needs a Yes vote more than ever.

irn yes, but what is your point. MM loves her country and voting No - what's wrong with that?

Rose - you would leave the UK - the embassies belong to the UK. You would be able to lease space from UK or any other embassy -

but you would have left the UK. Why should they help a foreign and competitor country?

Give me one valid reason why they would or should?

Sorry, oddcommentator, you missed my sarcasm. I am resolutely "No" and was attempting to demonstrate how Alex Salmond's grand plans to "share" would be useless. Yes, they could lease space (hence my back office and share of the kettle) but they would be leasing space from someone who is out to compete with them.

The UK would absolutely not help at all and should not help. In fact, I suspect a Yes vote would bring about a world of competition that Salmond has not even thought about. I have eaten salmon smoked in London before, there is Yorkshire Tweed etc etc.

For example: Just last night the no campaign have moved on from Project Fear to Shock & Awe

Can you tell me where to find links to that please?

I am not sure about campaign funds but I, personally, was deeply concerned that 2 lottery winners were able to donate such a huge amount (5 milllion) to "buy" the outcome they wanted - as long as they did so before a certain date.

And here's the ultimate smack down. Get him telt!

The moral arguments against child slavery are clear.

There are moral arguments for and against nationalism. (Personally I do see nationalism as an evil doctrine, if you consider historical events and what has been done in the name of nationalism over the centuries).

The so called "scaremongering" is saying precisely the opposite, scone. That the financial crisis that could ensue in iScotland would mean none of the idealist goals could be achieved.

There is a belief that all the "no" voters are nasty capitalists who don't care about moral ideals. Simply not true. I am a normal, hardworking, slightly skint Scot who cares deeply about child poverty and education and inequality. But because of various factors relating to my job and education, I recognise they need to be paid for.

*Robert Peston tweetwed last night "Downing St now says PM's pressure on supermarket bosses to go public on how prices would rise in indie Scotland happened in one-to-one chats"

How can anyone believe these supermarket bosses are speaking truth when they are under the PM's thumb?*

But if it is true, shouldn't people know about it ahead of the vote? You're assuming they're saying something untrue.

Given the geographic spread of Scotland and the population density, I'd say it is true.

Currently there is a commitment to national pricing which would be highly unlikely to be maintained post independence given the issues around currencies, divergence in tax policies, etc - let alone the fact that Scotland costs more to service given its large landmass and spread out population.

Why is it wrong for the UK government to encourage businesses to speak out about the (financial) implications of independence? People voting need as much information as possible to help them weigh up their decision and make an informed vote.

Mr Salmond has always been famous for his powers of debate and public speaking. He could sell sand to the Arabs.
I still find it extremely difficult to believe a word that comes out of his agenda driven, extremely clever mouth.

Why should they help a foreign and competitor country?

Any EU citizen can use any EU embassy

I never said that at all WildThong, I'm stating what Michelle Mone said last night on TV during her clip. She emphasised it several times, lost count.

You know exactly what you are implying.

The guardian has a good commentary on the international press conference yesterday on its blog. They are probably biased towards no but it comments that a)the press conference was not very well attended, b) salmond spent ages talking at the press rather than answering questions. In seems to infer that the press wasn't exactly bowing down before him given the questions asked.

Oh and salmond once again said he would get a currency union because the majority of scots back one and that UK would back down. Big gamble to take there!

There is a belief that all the "no" voters are nasty capitalists who don't care about moral ideals. Simply not true.

I agree. That is deeply unfair, just as it is unfair to paint Yes voters as some sort of heads in the clouds dreamers who can't possibly have looked at the facts properly.

No voters think the risks of an iScotland are greater than the rewards, Yes voters the opposite. We all love our families/Scotland etc

IrnBru right, yes, I'm ignoring the deep corruption ... Of course all politicians are economical with the truth, but there comes a point where the hard economic facts of currency and cash/gold reserves cannot be covered up, and where realpolitik kicks in. An independent Scotland will be hammered, and I do not believe that that is justified just for the principle of false independence

Also, I'm fed up with that smug man spinning his own set of lies, manipulating and hoodwinking such a huge section of our country.

Why should they help a foreign and competitor country?

Any EU citizen can use any EU embassy

Will we be in the EU?

Asda and Tesco all all other businesses will look after their profit margins. Surely it's good for us to hear their forecasts and have that information.

Sorry the blog doesn't infer anything, that was my interpretation (yes I'm probably biased....)

If an independent Scotland tries to attract business at the expense of the rUK by lowering rates etc, they are not just going to stand by and let it happen. It would become a race to the bottom.... .

I have worked in economic development for many years, including working to attract inward investment and to support businesses already here. Providing supportive and targeted packages to support business growth is not " a race to the bottom". There are sectors in Scotland which are already thriving, even with the limited powers currently available to the Scottish Parliament, thanks to targeted support using a variety of measures. One of them is the life sciences sector, for example.

cambio
The guardian has a good commentary on the international press conference yesterday on its blog. They are probably biased towards no

I don't read the Guardian so can't comment personally, other posters on these threads have said that it leans to a Yes.

Asda and Tesco all all other businesses will look after their profit margins. Surely it's good for us to hear their forecasts and have that information.

Yup. Unless they pull out of Scotland completely they will still be competing hard with each other, so I can't see prices going up vastly.

The Guardian is quite a left leaning paper in general. However they have has some pretty strongly worded articles supporting both sides of the argument.

Except there is no such thing as an EU citizen and there a EU embassies where?

And unless you have been asleep - Scotland wont be in the EU - much to the joy of many yes voters....