To be Worried About How Bad The Atmosphere In The Uk Will Be In The Event Of A No Vote?

[CalamityClara]

The tension between the yes and no parties is awful. Campaigners from both sides are behaving in a very aggressive manner and I've even heard the odd report of people getting into physical altercations If the result of the referendum is no I fear Scotland is going to descend into chaos, things aren't just going to settle back down. How can we ever come back from this? I honestly fear there is going to be violence.

I don't think Yes supporters will be violent, especially given they haven't responded angrily to the insults which have been levelled here.

Huh? I didn't realise that the entire 'yes' contingent was represented on Mumsnet!

I am unhappy about the oil money being spent on 5 million in Scotland, rather than shared across the UK. That is not social justice, but keeping all the sweeties for the good children who were born in the right place.

Coffee - nope, you're wrong, the SNP/Yes do not have the moral high ground. There may have been some posts on this particular thread which are dubious, but the Yes contingent have dished out the insults too on other threads. Don't kid yourself.

I 've voted yes (postal ballot). I have friends, family members and colleagues who are voting no. We're not going to fall out about our political differences! I honestly haven't experienced any unpleasantness, but I seem to be in a minority in this thread. It helps that I'm not on Facebook cos I think it's the work of the devil!

How do you propose a country of 6 million with around 200 000 net tax payers generates the wealth required to pay for this land of milk and honey - rembering, of course, that punitive levels of taxation will simply send people over the border to the most tax efficient part of the UK?

We have more revenue streams than just income tax.

I'm not voting for a land of milk and honey. I'm voting yes because I want to see Scotland make our own choices, see our own chosen representatives running (or ruining) the country and see a government which has our best interests as a country at heart.

Ok...so how are you going to generate the level of income required to fund the milk and honey without increasing personal tax - given that the SNP have already said that they will not increase corporation tax (and if they reneged would simply see companies structuring so as to be as tax efficient as possible)

Cathy - how do you propose (in detail) we pay for this? Because I am not prepared to stand by while my country is separated, by nationality taken away from me and my family face financial ruin on the empty promises from the SNP.

We currently raise taxes via personal taxation, corporation tax, VAT, fuel duties, excise, oil, gas etc. We currently send all of that to WM, who send some of it back, keeping some to pay for our share of defence, international diplomacy, London's sewer update, Crossrail, HS2, debt repayments etc. An i Scotland could raise pretty much the same sums of money, but keep it all, and spend as we fit. It's not milk and honey, but it's hardly financial collapse either.

We do all that within a United Kingdom - but you haven't answered my questions.

I've answered that the way we'll pay our way in the future is the same way we pay our way now, but with fewer "national assets" to pay for down south, so more money to be spent in Scotland. I don't really see how I can be clearer?

Sir - if the majority vote for independence then how do you propose to stop independence happening? X

I have no idea why I put an x on the end of that post

apparently the snp are going to nationalise BP according to quotes on the BBC website. they are also considering nationalising banks. if you are under 55 then you have no idea of the crap that we lived through in the 70's with nationalised industries. this boast by alex the fish alone would have me voting no. but hey I am a member of the united kingdom and I don't get a vote because apparently either way, it wont affect me. SirChenjin stop asking such impertinent questions. Honestly what are you thinking of.... don't hold your breath for an answer to this one.

The answer is you will be taxed, personally, until you are poor. And then you will be taxed again. In return, you will not gain Scandinavian levels of service and lack of corruption, but more of what the Scottish state has given us thus far, such as the massive overspend on the Scottish parliament, dubious legislation, state control based in the central belt and an obsession with controlling its citizens and more particularly their bank accounts and money.

You will also have to listen to really irritating politicians and their supporters, telling you alternatively how wonderful it all is or how wonderful it will be 5 or 10 years from now, and how evil/bad/mad whoever the country of vitriolic target is, usually the UK.

I can see our young people, many of whom seem to be more sensible and better informed than the generation that preceded them (I include myself in this), trying to rejoin the UK, and cursing the present lot for turning what is was once a reasonably safe, happy country providing a good standard of living into something where that was only a memory.

If my partner said to me I do not love you and do not want to be with you but I will stay with you because it is financially beneficial, I would think that it was not a very good reason to stay together. I would be sad and heartbroken but would say we should part friends and on good terms and is better to be happy and true to one's feelings and beliefs.

I love Scotland and I hope that Scotland decides that despite the turbulent way we all came together in history, we are all actually the same in terms of our values and beliefs and that we are better together. We are a family of nations on this island and have shown the world what amazing stuff we have achieved together - inventions, engineering feats, scientific discovery, commerce, defending freedom and fighting tyranny, culture and sharing of decent values, music. there is so much we have done together.

We are faced with new threats in the World today but as one United Kingdom, we can face those threats together more effectively.

I hope that Scotland has grown to love us despite the turbulent past. However, the reasons for staying together need to be the right reasons. It needs to be because we all share one heart. If Scotland's heart is not with the rest of us, then it should go its separate way, even if it means financial pain and turbulence and other difficulties at the start.

Please Scotland, I do not want you to go, because I love you along with the other members of our family!

Mummymeister, I don't know which reports you read re SNP wanting to nationalise BP, but I suspect the reports were actually about a speech given by Jim Sillars. Mr Sillars is an ex SNP member, and the relict of the amazing Margo MacDonald (independent MSP until her recent, and far too early death) but he and Alex had ideological disagreements quite some time ago and it would be wholly inaccurate to describe his position as an SNP one.

I'm pretty happy with what the Scottish government has delivered over the past few years.

As countries we are fundamentally different, policies that might make sense in England simply do not work up here. Scotland is ruled by a Westminster Tory government - not our choice - which does not have our best interests at heart.

There is a coalition of Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties at Westminster. It was very nearly a Labour/ Lib Dem coalition.

It's a bit of a leap of faith - but deep down I probably thing that Scotland and as an independent country - will not crash and burn like many think it will.

It's either got to be I. Europe or be part of the UK. I have no idea why English want to keep it. If so.some can enlighten me

Custardo the break up would be like a divorce, costly and acrimonious.

I can see a scenario where Westminster, in order to prevent economic mayhem have to give iScotland a good deal on exit. At that point their rUK electorate will hammer them for it and turn to UKIP in protest.

In what aT would it cost us

Itsmeitscathy
I keep hearing Scots saying that they are being governed by a government they didn't vote for - but the same can be said for the rest of the country!!!

Also the referendum has a direct impact on my country...how come Scots get to vote on the break up of the Union and the rest of us don't? It just doesn't seem fair. I dont want to see the UK broken up!