To be Worried About How Bad The Atmosphere In The Uk Will Be In The Event Of A No Vote?

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The tension between the yes and no parties is awful. Campaigners from both sides are behaving in a very aggressive manner and I've even heard the odd report of people getting into physical altercations If the result of the referendum is no I fear Scotland is going to descend into chaos, things aren't just going to settle back down. How can we ever come back from this? I honestly fear there is going to be violence.

Yes and the Irish State has had to slash spending. They pay to see a GP, need health insurance to access better hospitals and have to pay for all school books and jotters. The infrastructure is not being well maintained. This what I hear. Any way no one in Republic of Ireland would quibble about having Independence at any cost. But Scotland? Does it really have to come to that?

Anyway I think for ordinary people RoI sounds harder day to day so not doing better than UK.

I would disagree about London and New York. Both places have a lot of poverty. But those in poverty are being pushed deeper into it, those who are well off are even more well off and the middle earners would struggle to afford it.

Well I was having a conversation with a relative who lived in New York fur 20 years and he feels there is a real gentrification going on.

I guess it really depends where, even the boroughs have massive divides. My friend in Bronx works for a food bank charity and she thinks the gap is widening. So I think there probably is a lot of gentrification in both cities. I don't live in NYC or London, so I don't really know.

If I had a vote, I would vote no, because it has not been thought through enough in advance. But I don't have a vote. And I find it a little irritating that "Why should you have one, your English" is a commonly recurring vibe.

I am not English. I am British. I'm approximately 1/4 each Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English. I grew up in England, singing Irish songs, drawing Welsh dragons, and eating Scottish food. Sometimes in a different combination. I live in England, but literally within sight of Scotland. Of the 3 nearest decent sized cities, 2 are in Scotland. I have more in common with Scotland than with London. I am not Scottish. But I hate people trying to assign me the nationality of English when my identity is so clearly British.

So, yes, sorry. I do feel that this is an attempt to break up my country. But that opinion doesn't count. So, my head couldn't vote yes at the moment anyway, had I that privilege, because all that I have watched and read (including rather a lot from the Yes campaign's own material) says this hasn't been thought through. But then my heart would be a no anyway. Because I am proud of being British. Even if that is terribly unfashionable.

Oh, and for the record, I have never voted Tory.

Good post nocoolnamesleft I think a lot of people feel like this, my kids included, (they are half Scottish, half English and just don't get it.)

I thought it odd from the start that the vote would be taken on 50% rather than going beyond the 75% mark that constitutional change usually requires - and incidentally, for the anti EU's out there - what will probably be the finishing post for that vote. so very few people are voting for this and all this anti English sentiment. I have nothing - nothing in common with London and the govt. we have no public transport, rural poverty is huge in our area, farmers live from month to month. honestly only those in the SE around London have anything to do with the London govt. only difference is, no one has asked whether I want my area to be independent or not. please waivering voters, look at the economic arguments and vote No. there are just too many wait and sees from the fish boy in all of this. uncertainty is never good.

mummymeister Your post made me think - and feel a little ashamed. I am a Londoner and although I didn't vote for this government I admit that the level of ignorance here of the different circumstances that you describe is huge. This whole thing has made many people who have been pretty complacent really think about the society we live in and the government we have. I want a NO vote - for lots of reasons - but I will never think of Scotland in the same way again

The London Government may be based in London but it is made up of around 600 MPS who represent your constituency and your local interests as well national and international interests

Oh well the conservatives mentioned today that they are 'open' to
Patients being charged to attend A&E.

If my partner said to me I do not love you and do not want to be with you but I will stay with you because it is financially beneficial, I would think that it was not a very good reason to stay together. I would be sad and heartbroken but would say we should part friends and on good terms and is better to be happy and true to one's feelings and beliefs.

I love Scotland and I hope that Scotland decides that despite the turbulent way we all came together in history, we are all actually the same in terms of our values and beliefs and that we are better together. We are a family of nations on this island and have shown the world what amazing stuff we have achieved together - inventions, engineering feats, scientific discovery, commerce, defending freedom and fighting tyranny, culture and sharing of decent values, music. there is so much we have done together.

We are faced with new threats in the World today but as one United Kingdom, we can face those threats together more effectively.

I hope that Scotland has grown to love us despite the turbulent past. However, the reasons for staying together need to be the right reasons. It needs to be because we all share one heart. If Scotland's heart is not with the rest of us, then it should go its separate way, even if it means financial pain and turbulence and other difficulties at the start.

Please Scotland, I do not want you to go, because I love you along with the other members of our family!

I am sure he will well in his chosen

Totally agree SuggestmeaUsername. I feel so sad that this is a possibility and I'm Welsh (and certainly don't want a vote in Wales no thank you).

Why do the current population want to rake up issues fought back in the 1200's? I thought we'd all moved on?

There won't be violence in the streets if there is a No vote. Just more seething bitterness towards Parliament, nothing we haven't seen before. The SNP will get a lot of seats in a general election though.

Cameron would be better off supporting independence as that way he gets more votes his way in he future, while being still able to negotiate with Scottish tories.

A no vote will mean more Labour votes.

50% of people voting for change and a leap into the unknown is is a stronger vote than 50% of people wanting to maintain the status quo.

I can't understand why anyone would think it will be like Northern Ireland. There is no similarity at all.

DaughterDilemma I am confused. If its a 'yes' how will Cameron be better off? surely Scottish MP's will no longer have a say in Parliament?

Why is it sad that a country that was forced into English rule should want to reassert independence? Dozens of Empire countries did and nobody wept then.

If there is a yes vot England and Wales will be ruled by Tories for the next couple of decades probably. There are not enough English labour supporters.

Oh blimey, as I said before, why rake up history? we are incredibly lucky to live in a peaceful wealthy UNITED country

How is this country united? Who supports each other politically? This country is divided in class, education, politics, race and gender. We don't even get on with other English people let alone the Scots.

Go tell that to all those people who are facing real war situations in the world. They will tell you how lucky you are to live here.

Whatever the outcome, it's going to be Northern Ireland all over again.

What, a war between Catholics and Protestants? Or Catholic No voters agains protestant yes voters? I really don't understand your sweeping comparison here, let's hope this isn't leading up to a Godwin call.

Loopy there isn't going to be a civil war. The no voters can move to England if they think it's so great. And remember, everyone's vote is confidential. There is no pressure to vote either way, the statistics show that very clearly. Syrians and Ukrainians would be offended is you consider a handful of raised voices in a pub bears any relation to war.

As I said 'real war situations' NOT like what we have in the UK currently i.e peace.

Mind you, sweeping statements like 'The no voters can move to England if they think it's so great' (to quote you DaughterDilemma) could actually create problems - 3littlefrogs I do believe you have a valid point.